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Do We Still Have A Train Service?? (29/12/2006)
« on: December 29, 2006, 12:51:16 PM »

From the First Great Western Website :

18:40 Southampton Central to Cardiff Central due 20:32
This train has been cancelled. This is due to a shortage of servicable trains.

20:32 Westbury to Cardiff Central due 22:30
This train has been cancelled. This is due to a shortage of servicable trains.

18:00 Cardiff Central to Westbury due 19:50
This train has been cancelled. This is due to a shortage of servicable trains.

13:22 Portsmouth Harbour to Cardiff Central due 16:42
This train has been revised. It will additionally call at: Dunbridge, Dean and Bradford-On-Avon.

10:30 Cardiff Central to Portsmouth Harbour due 13:49
This train has been revised. It will additionally call at: Severn Tunnel Jn, Patchway, Keynsham, Oldfield Park, Freshford, Avoncliff, Bradford-On-Avon, Dean and Dunbridge.

12:22 Portsmouth Harbour to Cardiff Central due 15:42
This train has been revised. It will additionally call at: Dunbridge and Dean.

09:30 Cardiff Central to Portsmouth Harbour due 12:49
This train has been revised. It will additionally call at: Dean and Dunbridge.

17:06 Westbury to Southampton Central due 18:17
This train has been cancelled. This is due to This is due to a shortage of servicable trains.

15:39 Southampton Central to Westbury due 16:45
This train has been cancelled. This is due to This is due to a shortage of servicable trains.

14:12 Westbury to Southampton Central due 15:23
This train has been cancelled. This is due to This is due to a shortage of servicable trains.

12:32 Southampton Central to Westbury due 13:39
This train has been cancelled. This is due to a shortage of servicable trains..

10:00 Cardiff Central to Southampton Central due 13:17
This train has been cancelled. This is due to a shortage of servicable trains.

14:22 Portsmouth Harbour to Cardiff Central due 17:40
This train has been revised. It will additionally call at: Dean and Dunbridge. It will no longer call at: Portsmouth Harbour, Portsmouth & Southsea, Fratton and Cosham. This is due to engineering work.

There may have been earlier cancellations / revisions that I didnt catch. Please feel free to post details.
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Re: Do We Still Have A Train Service?? (29/12/2006)
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2006, 07:33:07 PM »

Why are there so many trains unserviceable. What do the MP's think or  are they interested?
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Re: Do We Still Have A Train Service?? (29/12/2006)
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2006, 09:52:45 AM »

The incredible thing is that there's a SATURDAY service been in operation this week which I would have expected to have used a few less trains ... I'll be most interested to see what happend next Tuesday onwards.   It would be really nice if it turns out they've been working around the clock to catch up on maintainince arrears on the trains and that we end up with a positive payback in terms of an acheivement (or nearly so) of the 99.5% target that First is set by the DfT.

Has anyone asked Passenger Focus what they make of the current performance levels?  (And I noted that there's a misprint of the Passenger Focus number in a new timetable I picked up ... they're on 08453 022 022 and not 0845 022 022 - web site http://www.passengerfocus.org.uk/)
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Re: Do We Still Have A Train Service?? (29/12/2006)
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2006, 02:27:46 PM »

Why are there so many trains unserviceable. What do the MP's think or  are they interested?

We ran through this one in another post , Sion.

But sadly it doesn't end there. To quote the other forum again "we have been told to take 20 more 158 vehicles out
of service. These twenty being the ones maintaining the service whilst the ex-Canton demics are being fixed".

A 'demic' train in rail-industry-speak is one that is broken/not useable. A change that occurred with the new timetable was that FGW brought it's unit maintenace in-house. The 158's maintenance had been contracted out to ATW's Cardiff Canton depot prior to December 11th.  FGW has extended it's Bristol St Philips Marsh Depot so that it can take on the maintenance of units such as the 158's. Allegedly according to other forums when the 158's got to St Philips Marsh from Cardiff they were found to be demic - which would explain all the cancellations since the timetable change. Now read the above quote again. No timescales I'm afraid for taking the 20 vehicles out of service (ie 10 2-car units or a mixture of 2 and 3-car units) but let's hope it isn't before the demics are fixed.....

Another quote: "Do you honestly believe FGW want to throw away revenue? Do you honestly believe that FGW want to take even more vehicles off lease when those same vehicles could be expanding services and earning more money?
It's really simple, the DfT refuse to underwrite the leases, they are forcing TOC's, and FGW is just the first one, to put vehicles into
store rather than have them pay what they consider to be excessive leasing costs. There are currently about twenty 158 vehicles running around on our services which will not be so for much longer. You may have to put up with Pacers now, or even solitary 153's. The DfT want you on a bus, or adding to the Treasury coffers by driving a car."

FGW have been "done by the demics." They have tried to follow the Jacobs plan , which assumed (wrongly) that fleet availability would be 84% for former Wessex stock.

It isnt.

Ive not heard an awful lot from MPs on the current situation , but I do have the following quotes from a very well informed source :

"FGW who normally publish a daily PPM (Performance Monitoring)  indicator to staff, have ceased to publish any figures on the scale  of cancellations since 22 December 06, when the last published  figures showed a 67% drop in performance (a measure that includes  cancellation as well as delays). The physical appearance of the train  units is visibly deteriorating since the maintenance of train units  was moved from Cardiff Canton depot to Bristol St Philips Marsh (SPM)  where FGW have refused to employ any more 'fitting' staff, or anyone  with any relevant experience of maintaining Diesel Multiple Units as opposed to HSTs. There are reports of Cardiff-Portsmouth train  services coming to service without a toilet functioning on the train.  The exteriors of the DMUs are covered in a thick layer of dirt and a  much larger number of graffiti 'tags' because the automatic wash  plant at SPM is not working yet - 2 weeks after the cleaning and  maintenance of DMUs moved to SPM!"

"(on) Friday 22 December 87  services were cancelled and that isn't the worst day so far - the  cancellation records keep being broken. The reasons for the  cancellations are a combination of staff shortages (artificially  created by FGW's bizarre diagramming and rostering decisions, which  see Bristol traincrew being taxied to Cardiff to work trains back to  Bristol; Gloucester, Westbury and Exeter traincrew being taxied to  Bristol, etc, utterly utterly bizarre and wasteful decisions taken  not because of last minute panic, but as a deliberate decision of  forward planning."

"The strong rumour is that Alison Forster was been given 4 weeks to  sort the mess out (a week ago) by the DfT."
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Re: Do We Still Have A Train Service?? (29/12/2006)
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2006, 05:49:57 PM »

I have wriiten to my MP as it is a lottery to see if a train runs or not.
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Re: Do We Still Have A Train Service?? (29/12/2006)
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2006, 09:19:12 PM »

I see from another thread that FGW's Glenda Lamont has issued a letter saying that timetable changes are being looked into for January.
I just wonder if you might get more than you bargained for....

1) The current situation is appalling. So...
2) Something Must Be Done
3) but there aren't enough units on-lease to run the timetable given their current availability levels
4) and the DfT won't let us have any more units
5) So let's review the timetable to try and stabilise the situation.
6) I know! If we temporarily replace branch line services with buses we can transfer the branch line units to help run the main line services.
7) And if we temporarily replace some late night main line services with buses as well that'll give the depot more chance to do overnight maintenance.
8 ) Hmmm, it might just work!
9) And it's only 'temporary' too so anyone who complains about the bustitutions can be told they'll get their trains back when the situation improves. This is a crisis you know - we have to do something about it so stop complaining.
10) Of course by then everyone will be using their cars, having deserted the replacement buses. 
11) Oh look. No-one uses the service so there's no need to bring the trains back. Ingenious.


Maybe I'm being far too cynical. Nevertheless be on your guard...
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Re: Do We Still Have A Train Service?? (29/12/2006)
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2007, 11:12:58 AM »

I dont think that you are being too cynical at all , Steve. I think that there is a grave risk that this is EXACTLY what might happen , which is why I feel that we should shout about it now.

For a historical context , have a look at the link below , which deals with the farce that surrounded the last days of the Lewes - Uckfield service..
http://home.clara.net/wealdenline/gm_archive/exp_1168.html

Ironically , there is currently a self - funding proposal to reopen this line , which is opposed by the DfT , probably because they want BRB (Residuary) to sell the former Uckfield station site (links below.)
http://www.christianwolmar.co.uk/articles/tt/dec15,06.shtml
http://home.clara.net/wealdenline/spages/051018brbr.html

By the way , many thanks for the excellent research support , which is very much appreciated.
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Re: Do We Still Have A Train Service?? (29/12/2006)
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2007, 02:34:17 PM »

29/12/2006 excuses :

1840 Southampton to Cardiff Central - cancelled due to unit shortages
2032 Westbury to Cardiff Central - cancelled due to unit shortages
1800 Cardiff Central to Westbury - cancelled due to unit shortages
1322 Portsmouth to Cardiff Central - amended due to engineering works
1030 Cardiff Central to Portsmouth - amended due to engineering works
1222 Portsmouth to Cardiff Central - amended due to engineering works
0930 Cardiff Central to Portsmouth - amended due to engineering works
1706 Westbury to Southampton - cancelled due to unit shortages
1539 Southampton to Westbury - cancelled due to unit shortages
1412 Westbury to Southampton - cancelled due to unit shortages
1232 Southampton to Westbury - cancelled due to unit shortages
1000 Cardiff Central to Southampton - cancelled due to unit shortages
1422 Portsmouth to Cardiff Central -amended due to engineering works
1827 Southampton to Cheltenham - amended timetable in operation
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Re: Do We Still Have A Train Service?? (29/12/2006)
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2007, 03:37:58 PM »

I was at Eastleigh station over the Christmas Holidays and got chatting to a friendly member of the ticket office staff who had popped out onto the platform for his fag break.  After the conversation I quickly noted down some things he said on a bit of paper so I wouldn’t forget them.  I noted the following:

There are 3 x 153 and 3 x 158 sets in storage at Eastleigh which are soon to go off lease
There is talk of SWT extending the Totton to Romsey service (via Eastleigh / Chandlers Ford) up to Salisbury from next year.  (Or at some point in 2007 as it was actually in 2006 that I was talking to him!)  Presumably this would also serve Dean and Dunbridge.
Buses are on pernament standby at Salisbury to cover the Westbury to Southampton cancellations
Staff at Eastleigh get requests for quite a few ticket refunds when services to Dean / Dunbridge and Salisbury are cancelled but cant issue them as it’s an FGW problem.
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Re: Do We Still Have A Train Service?? (29/12/2006)
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2007, 01:23:14 PM »


I don't think I've ever seen this in my life...

This is just not acceptable in the slightest  Angry
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Re: Do We Still Have A Train Service?? (29/12/2006)
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2007, 02:06:12 PM »

Graz agreed its becoming nothing short of a shambles and a disgrace, - its almost as if they are trying to deliberately run down certain stations. Is this becasue of the showcase buses?  As I undersatand it the Dft have issued First some sort of ultimatum to get things sorted.  In the meantime if things dont turn around quickly passengers will desert the railways and it will be hard to get them back when / if things improve.
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Re: Do We Still Have A Train Service?? (29/12/2006)
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2007, 07:45:27 PM »

Brand new to the site - basially trying to find out more information about how to complain in the most effective way.

I shall be writing to my MP after writing this.

I started using the trains again taking a new job in Bath. I live in Frome.

My communte has been, well as you all know, absolutely appalling. I'm interested in the whole "let the train take the strain" campaign that I've seen - is there a forum for this as yet? If not - I have spare web-space available.

I had no idea that FGW's service as a whole appears to be in total shambles. I used to use the Hedge End to Basingstoke service years ago and it was good. So far in the last three months I have been late to work most days, sometimes by an hour. I have seen a grown man faint due to overcrowding three weeks ago and I've been home late up to an hour nearly every night after the introduction of the "new" 17.21 service to Weymouth.

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Re: Do We Still Have A Train Service?? (29/12/2006)
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2007, 09:39:48 PM »

I think the MP for Bath Don Foster is on the case with poor train services for both Bath Spa & Oldfield Park.
What does transport 2000 have to say on this matter?
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Re: Do We Still Have A Train Service?? (29/12/2006)
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2007, 07:06:48 AM »

My communte has been, well as you all know, absolutely appalling. I'm interested in the whole "let the train take the strain" campaign that I've seen - is there a forum for this as yet? If not - I have spare web-space available.

Posts are very welcome in this "Greater Western" area, and I'm minded to provide specific extra boards in this area for groups who are looking at particular servcies based in Bristol and using the 143 / 150 / 153 / 158 fleets (i.e. the 1, 2, 3 coach trains that First run from Bristol - ex Wessex Trains), and who don't have other such sites available.
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Re: Do We Still Have A Train Service?? (29/12/2006)
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2007, 05:52:29 PM »

Good idea, I'd really like to discuss with more people about their recent experiences.

Again, widespread FGW cancellations across the board. Not taking into account the problems at Newquay there were a lot all day today.  You're right Sion, Don's very much been campaigning for Bath Spa and Oldfield Park for a long time, but I'll be writing to him again- the more support, the better! Smiley

And Nick, unfourtunately there is not a rail replacement bus stop at Oldfield Park. Buses stop anywhere along the Lower Bristol Road which is a good 200 yards away at least. I'll be suggesting they should put one in! And you're absolutely right. Being stranded at Oldfield Park for 2 hours is enough to put people off rail travel forever.
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