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Topic: Rolling Stock Requirements For Timetable Proposals (Read 6157 times)
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Lee
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« Last Edit: December 08, 2006, 01:12:44 PM by Lee »
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Graz
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Interesting, Lee, your proposals required fewer trains than I first thought. But what about the number of Class 150 units FGW currently own?
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Sion Bretton
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Yes very intersting but Lee could the 1 minute turn around at Didcot be long enough to drive to move from one end of train to the other.
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Chris Street
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Yes very intersting but Lee could the 1 minute turn around at Didcot be long enough to drive to move from one end of train to the other.
Sian I have addressed your concern (I saw this as well once you pointed it out) and have rectified this on the PDF file (link above). On the southbound journeys I have shortened the wait at Oxford to one minute, and added a minute to each calling point including and after the Didcot Parkway departure time - giving a reverse time of 3 minutes. On the northbound journeys I have shortened the wait at Swindon to one minute, which gives 2 extra spare minutes which have also given northbound services at Didcot a 3 minute reversal time. If there are any more things that need editing let me know and I'll change them. If no-one has any objections to it I'll also begin typing up the Weymouth - Severn Beach timetable and Cardiff Airport - Portsmouth timetable aswell. |
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Graham Ellis
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These are great timetables and presentations, Lee, Chris; I'm currently looking into exact dates / formats for inputs for the December 2007 proposals / timetable changes.
I rather suspect the changes are radical enough that they should be persued with both DfT and First, and not simply with First in isolation through their consultation process which (last time around) brought only partial improvement - and in the case of the TransWilts a further backward step - on the original dreadful draft.
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Lee
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Yes very intersting but Lee could the 1 minute turn around at Didcot be long enough to drive to move from one end of train to the other.
Sian I have addressed your concern (I saw this as well once you pointed it out) and have rectified this on the PDF file (link above). On the southbound journeys I have shortened the wait at Oxford to one minute, and added a minute to each calling point including and after the Didcot Parkway departure time - giving a reverse time of 3 minutes. On the northbound journeys I have shortened the wait at Swindon to one minute, which gives 2 extra spare minutes which have also given northbound services at Didcot a 3 minute reversal time. If there are any more things that need editing let me know and I'll change them. If no-one has any objections to it I'll also begin typing up the Weymouth - Severn Beach timetable and Cardiff Airport - Portsmouth timetable aswell. Many thanks guys , I guess thats what you call teamwork  Interesting, Lee, your proposals required fewer trains than I first thought. But what about the number of Class 150 units FGW currently own?
As you have probably guessed , my strategy has been to match unit types to areas. FGW will have 17 Class 150 units available to them from next week. I have nearly finished my proposals for the Devon & Cornwall area (which include the return of the Class 180 Adelantes plus a business proposal to pay for their re-hire) and it looks like I can use these to improve services there as well. It also looks like improvements can be made to the Thames Valley Services for the same number of units plus a reduction in train mileage , due to our proposals for extra services to Bicester. Watch this space..... |
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« Last Edit: December 05, 2006, 05:15:56 PM by Lee »
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Graz
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Again, fantastic work, Chris  |
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Lee
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Chris ,
Having taken advice , I would like to make the following alterations , if I may.
London Paddington - Bristol / Cheltenham Spa / Wales - 24 rather than 23 "Inter - City" units. This is to take into account the slightly longer Paddington turnaround time of the London - Cheltenham Spa service (or , as Network Rail would put it , to ensure that our timetable is "robust".) We still save 2 "non Inter - City" units by doing this.
Weymouth - Severn Beach weekday timetable - I would like to make the following alterations to the 0621 - 1821 Severn Beach departures inclusive :
Severn Beach xx15 - St Andrews Road xx21 - Avonmouth arrive xx24 depart xx30.
This is to allow the Weymouth - Severn Beach service to pass the Avonmouth Circular service at Avonmouth , rather than on the lines around St Andrews Road.
Also , could you possibly add the following note to the Rhoose - Portsmouth & Oxford and Bicester from Westbury / Salisbury / Southampton / Bristol timetables :
"Dean & Dunbridge would also be served by SWT services during the off - peak."
Sorry for not getting this into you earlier , and many thanks for all your efforts , which again look superb.
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Lee
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Many thanks Chris. It also looks like improvements can be made to the Thames Valley Services for the same number of units plus a reduction in train mileage , due to our proposals for extra services to Bicester. Watch this space..... The Bicester Town line is single - track , which means that , in order to implement our Oxford and Bicester from Westbury / Salisbury / Southampton / Bristol timetable , The timetable below would have to be altered. http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/Documents/Custom/Timetables/December%202006/Book%20C%20REVISED%20(London,%20Oxford,%20Bicester,%20Banbury,%20Worcester,%20Hereford).pdfI would also take the opportunity to address some of its shortcomings. The following timetable changes can be acheived using the same number of units as currently envisaged. ADDITIONAL SERVICES 0713 Oxford - Banbury calling at Tackley 0722 - Heyford 0727 - Kings Sutton 0735 - Banbury 0742 (starts from London Paddington at 0524.) 0800 Banbury - Oxford calling at Kings Sutton 0805 - Heyford 0814 - Tackley 0818 - Oxford 0831. 1802 Oxford - Bicester Town calling at Islip 1815 - Bicester Town 1828. 1826 Banbury - Oxford calling at Kings Sutton 1831 - Heyford 1840 - Tackley 1844 - Oxford 1853 (continues to London Paddington 2030.) 1834 Bicester Town - Oxford calling at Islip 1846 - Oxford 1903 (continues to London Paddington 2008.) WITHDRAWN SERVICES Oxford - Bicester Town - 0604 , 0716 , 0839 , 1326 , 1628 , 1746 , 1910. Bicester Town - Oxford - 0633 , 0757 , 0906 , 1355 , 1656 , 1816 , 1940. 1836 Banbury - Oxford section of Banbury - London Paddington train. SERVICE PATTERN AMENDMENTS Instead of "skip - stop" service pattern between Didcot Parkway - Oxford (i.e "slow" trains that miss out either Appleford or Culham) , these services would call at all stations. Worcester / Oxford - London Paddington service pattern altered as follows : Reading xx03 - Slough xx16 - London Paddington xx37. SUMMARY Oxford - Bicester Town - Service increased from 7 trains each way to 15 trains each way. Oxford - Banbury - Extra service each way to address inadequate morning peak timings. Appleford & Culham - Off - peak service increased from 2 - hourly to hourly. FGW will have 17 Class 150 units available to them from next week. I have nearly finished my proposals for the Devon & Cornwall area (which include the return of the Class 180 Adelantes plus a business proposal to pay for their re-hire) and it looks like I can use these to improve services there as well. Finally , you may have noticed from the timetable above that the Class 180 Adelantes have been scheduled to run London - Oxford / Worcester services from December 2006. However , the lease on these trains with Angel Trains runs out in December 2007. According to the Greater Western Franchise Agreement , the Adelantes will then be displaced by HST's. |
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Chris Street
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ADDITIONAL SERVICES
1802 Oxford - Bicester Town calling at Islip 1815 - Bicester Town 1828.
1834 Bicester Town - Oxford calling at Islip 1846 - Oxford 1903 (continues to London Paddington 2008.) Lee - would you like me to put this service into the Bicester - Oxford to the South timetable? |
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Lee
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ADDITIONAL SERVICES
1802 Oxford - Bicester Town calling at Islip 1815 - Bicester Town 1828.
1834 Bicester Town - Oxford calling at Islip 1846 - Oxford 1903 (continues to London Paddington 2008.) Lee - would you like me to put this service into the Bicester - Oxford to the South timetable? Could you possibly add a note along the following lines : "An extra return journey would run from Oxford - Bicester Town (Thames Valley timetable) between 1800 and 1900." Thats as far as I would want to commit before further feedback is received. Also if there are any other timetables you want typing do not hesitate to post about that either as I'm willing to help.  After the weekend , I will be working on detailed timings for the main GBM timetable (link below.) http://www.savethetrain.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=673.msg2026#msg2026This will mainly involve sorting out the train paths for the evening frequency that would operate. Could you possibly type up a draft of what we have so far , so we can see what it looks like? Also , I think that we should develop the incremental alternative put forward by Graham , alongside our own proposals (link below.) http://www.savethetrain.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=766.msg2221#msg2221On this , I would suggest the following : 1) Keeping our London - Bristol / Cheltenham / Wales "main - line" timings , which I feel could be implemented straight away. This would also free up the unit required for Graham's incremental service. 2) Developing the incremental proposal by ensuring that Graham's timings do not conflict. Thanks again. |
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« Last Edit: December 07, 2006, 01:22:33 PM by Lee »
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Chris Street
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ADDITIONAL SERVICES
1802 Oxford - Bicester Town calling at Islip 1815 - Bicester Town 1828.
1834 Bicester Town - Oxford calling at Islip 1846 - Oxford 1903 (continues to London Paddington 2008.)
Could you possibly add a note along the following lines :
"An extra return journey would run from Oxford - Bicester Town (Thames Valley timetable) between 1800 and 1900." Thats as far as I would want to commit before further feedback is received. This has been added to the Bicester - Southampton timetable... link at the top of the page After the weekend , I will be working on detailed timings for the main GBM timetable (link below.) http://www.savethetrain.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=673.msg2026#msg2026This will mainly involve sorting out the train paths for the evening frequency that would operate. Could you possibly type up a draft of what we have so far , so we can see what it looks like? I have typed this up into a PDF file, and it shows: > Greater Bristol Metro area services > W-s-M - Bristol - Avonmouth - Bristol - W-s-M circular service > New Greater Bristol Metro station frequencies should proposals be carried out > Freight Train Path times Link --> http://www.shinewithstyle.co.uk/literature/Draft Greater Bristol Metro Proposals.pdfAlso , I think that we should develop the incremental alternative put forward by Graham , alongside our own proposals (link below.) http://www.savethetrain.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=766.msg2221#msg2221On this , I would suggest the following : 1) Keeping our London - Bristol / Cheltenham / Wales "main - line" timings , which I feel could be implemented straight away. This would also free up the unit required for Graham's incremental service. 2) Developing the incremental proposal by ensuring that Graham's timings do not conflict. Thanks again. This has also been carried out. Link to PDF --> http://www.shinewithstyle.co.uk/literature/graham's melksham new 2007 timetable proposals.pdfIn this timetable I have considered keeping units 3 & 4 of our Bicester - Southampton timetable (link at top) to run a Bicester - Bristol service, and edited Graham's proposals to fit this - all is explained in the PDF file itself. |
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