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Thameslink Rolling Stock Project
« on: April 09, 2008, 10:36:03 AM »

DfT information and guidance about the Thameslink Rolling Stock Project (link below.)
http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/rail/pi/thameslinkrollingstock/

This will lengthen Thameslink trains from 8 to 12 carriages by spring 2012. Current rolling stock will be released to other parts of the network to provide extra capacity.

The new fleet incorporates additional capacity as provided by the Rolling Stock Plan announced this January. Train manufacturers now have the opportunity to express their interest in winning the contract. This will be followed by a shortlist process with the final contract expected to be awarded in summer 2009.

The schedule aims to have the first train available for testing in autumn 2011, with the first train in passenger service by spring 2012.

DfT Press Release link.
http://nds.coi.gov.uk/environment/fullDetail.asp?ReleaseID=364954&NewsAreaID=2&NavigatedFromDepartment=False
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Re: Thameslink Rolling Stock Project
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2008, 01:04:20 PM »

Another very demanding set of performance parameters for any bidders to get their heads round. The requirements for the IEP (InterCityExpress) project have already led to one of the bidders pulling out due to them considering them unrealistic. There is, after all, only so much you can do with a trains specification at a reasonable cost.

The number of times the Thameslink document mentions the phrase 'best in class' - meaning it'll have to be better than anything else currently in operation - means if delivered to the spec we're going to look forward to quite a train! Either that, or the winning bidders train will be so complex that it fails to work properly, like so many of the recent high-spec trains (Adelante, anyone...?)

Operating such a service requires performance capabilities (acceleration and
braking rates) and station dwell time characteristics (the time from wheel stop to
wheel start) which are more demanding than those currently offered by any
existing design of stock currently operating on the network.


The quote above puzzled me. Station dwell times are affected more by passengers boarding/alighting than anything else. Despite the added capacity of 12-car formations over 8-car ones, it'll be the marshalling of the platforms by staff to ensure that passengers are spread evenly (and not all trying to cram on the carriage that is nearest the footbridge at their destination station) that will affect dwell times the most. Given the increase in passenger numbers, and human nature, I really can't see station dwell times doing anything other than increase.
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« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2008, 02:59:23 PM »

DfT Thameslink Rolling Stock Project clarification question bulletin (link below.)
http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/rail/pi/thameslinkrollingstock/thameslinkbulletin
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Re: Thameslink Rolling Stock Project
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2008, 02:42:26 PM »

A couple of points from Lee's link to the clarification bulletin link...

1) If you read the first two answers, the DfT is asking for a design of train capable of allowing 999 people to board it and 1 to get of in a maximum of 45 seconds (including opening and closure of doors). Now if you assume a maximum of two doors per vehicle, and a full length train of 12 carriages, that still equates to an average of more than one person boarding every second. That's gonna be tough to achieve given the randomness of some of the passengers carried!


2) In the Thameslink Rolling Stock Project Accreditation Process Document, Paragraph 4.1 General at the bottom (page 8 of 16) it states:

"Please print on A4 paper, double sided, using minimum Arial 11 point and line spacing of 14 point minimum".


Fair enough to seek clarification - after all it would be a shame if your companies train specification was easily the best but was turned away because you described it in Arial 10 point!
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Re: Thameslink Rolling Stock Project
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2008, 10:59:06 AM »

The bidders have been announced (links below) :
http://nds.coi.gov.uk/environment/fullDetail.asp?ReleaseID=373451&NewsAreaID=2&NavigatedFromDepartment=False

http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/rail/pi/thameslinkrollingstock/thameslinkbidders

They are :

ALSTOM Transport
Bombardier Transportation UK Limited
Hitachi Europe Limited
Siemens Transportation Systems
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Re: Thameslink Rolling Stock Project
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2008, 09:15:12 PM »

Changes to franchise agreements agreed between the Department for Transport and the train operating companies Southeastern, First Capital Connect and Southern Railways. (links below.)
http://nds.coi.gov.uk/environment/fullDetail.asp?ReleaseID=377178&NewsAreaID=2&NavigatedFromDepartment=False

http://railwayeye.blogspot.com/2008/08/whelk-stall.html


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