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Topic: Greater Bristol Metro Proposals (Read 6606 times)
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Lee
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The following timetable service pattern is feasible within existing capacity plus Portishead (click on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portishead_Railway) All services are hourly unless otherwise stated : KEY CCF - Cross - Country Franchise service. FGW - First Great Western service. WAF - Welsh Assembly funded service. FGW - Severn Beach xx15 - St Andrews Road xx21 - Avonmouth arrive xx24 depart xx30 - Shirehampton xx33 - Sea Mills xx37 - Clifton Down xx43 - Redland xx45 - Montpelier xx47 - Stapleton Road xx51 - Lawrence Hill xx53 - Bristol Temple Meads arrive xx56 depart xx04 - Keynsham xx11 - Oldfield Park xx18 - (continues to Yeovil / Weymouth.) FGW - (starts from London Paddington) - Bristol Temple Meads arrive xx46 depart xx07 - Nailsea & Backwell xx16 - Yatton xx22 - Worle xx28 - Weston - super - Mare xx33 (Frequency - occasional extensions of London - Bristol services.) CCF - (starts from Birmingham / The North) - Bristol Parkway xx55 - Bristol Temple Meads xx10. FGW - Gloucester xx26 - Cam & Dursley xx39 - Yate xx52 - Bristol Parkway xx02 - Filton Abbey Wood xx05 - Stapleton Road xx10 - Lawrence Hill xx12 - Bristol Temple Meads arrive xx14 depart xx15 - Bedminster xx18 - Parson Street xx20 - Nailsea & Backwell xx28 - Yatton xx34 - Worle xx40 - Weston Milton xx45 - Weston - super - Mare xx48. FGW - (starts from Rhoose (Cardiff Airport)) - Severn Tunnel Junction xx50 - Patchway xx03 - Filton Abbey Wood xx10 - Bristol Temple Meads arrive xx17 depart xx20 - Keynsham xx27 - Oldfield Park xx34 - (continues to Portsmouth Harbour.) FGW - Great Malvern xx48 - Malvern Link xx51 - Worcester Foregate Street xx01 - Worcester Shrub Hill arrive xx03 depart xx06 - Ashchurch For Tewkesbury xx23 - Cheltenham Spa xx32 - Gloucester arrive xx42 depart xx46 - Cam & Dursley xx59 - Yate xx12 - Bristol Parkway xx22 - Filton Abbey Wood xx25 - Stapleton Road xx30 - Lawrence Hill xx32 - Bristol Temple Meads arrive xx34 (extended every 2 hours to) depart xx35 - Bedminster xx38 - Parson Street xx40 - Portishead xx05. CCF - (starts from Birmingham / The North) - Bristol Parkway xx25 - Bristol Temple Meads xx40 - Worle xx57 - Taunton xx15 - (continues to the West Country.) WAF - (starts from Rhoose (Cardiff Airport)) - Severn Tunnel Junction xx20 - Patchway xx33 - Filton Abbey Wood xx40 - Bristol Temple Meads xx47. FGW - Gloucester xx06 - Cam & Dursley xx19 - Yate xx32 - Bristol Parkway xx42 - Filton Abbey Wood xx45 - Bristol Temple Meads arrive xx52 depart xx53 - Nailsea & Backwell xx02 - Yatton xx08 - Worle xx14 - Highbridge & Burnham xx24 - Bridgwater xx31 - Taunton xx43. CCF - Bristol Temple Meads xx05 - Bristol Parkway xx15 - (continues to Birmingham / The North.) FGW - Weston - super - Mare xx33 - Weston Milton xx36 - Worle xx41 - Yatton xx46 - Nailsea & Backwell xx52 - Parson Street xx02 - Bedminster xx04 - Bristol Temple Meads xx07 - Lawrence Hill xx10 - Stapleton Road xx13 - Filton Abbey Wood xx18 - Bristol Parkway xx22 - Yate xx31 - Cam & Dursley xx43 - Gloucester xx59. WAF - Bristol Temple Meads xx23 - Filton Abbey Wood xx30 - Patchway xx37 - Severn Tunnel Junction xx50 - (continues to Rhoose (Cardiff Airport.)) FGW - Taunton xx34 - Bridgwater xx46 - Highbridge & Burnham xx53 - Worle xx03 - Yatton xx09 - Nailsea & Backwell xx15 - Bristol Temple Meads arrive xx27 depart xx28 - Filton Abbey Wood arrive xx35 depart xx38 - Bristol Parkway xx42 - Yate xx51 - Cam & Dursley xx03 - Gloucester xx19. FGW - Weston - super - Mare xx48 - Worle xx54 - Yatton xx00 - Nailsea & Backwell xx06 - Bristol Temple Meads arrive xx18 depart xx30 - (continues to London Paddington) (Frequency - occasional extensions of Bristol - London services.) FGW - (starts from Weymouth / Yeovil) - Oldfield Park xx06 - Keynsham xx13 - Bristol Temple Meads arrive xx21 depart xx30 - Lawrence Hill xx33 - Stapleton Road xx35 - Montpelier xx38 - Redland xx40 - Clifton Down xx43 - Sea Mills xx47 - Shirehampton xx51 - Avonmouth arrive xx54 depart xx00 - St Andrews Road xx02 - Severn Beach xx09. CCF - (starts from the West Country) - Taunton xx05 - Worle xx23 - Bristol Temple Meads xx40 - Bristol Parkway xx50 - (continues to Birmingham / The North.) FGW - (extended every 2 hours from Portishead xx12 - Parson Street xx37 - Bedminster xx39 - Bristol Temple Meads arrive xx42) depart xx47 - Lawrence Hill xx50 - Stapleton Road xx53 - Filton Abbey Wood arrive xx58 depart xx59 - Bristol Parkway xx03 - Yate xx12 - Cam & Dursley xx24 - Gloucester arrive xx40 depart xx44 - Cheltenham Spa xx56 - Ashchurch For Tewkesbury xx04 - Worcester Shrub Hill arrive xx21 depart xx24 - Worcester Foregate Street xx27 - Malvern Link xx36 - Great Malvern xx38. FGW - (starts from Portsmouth Harbour) - Oldfield Park xx36 - Keynsham xx43 - Bristol Temple Meads arrive xx51 depart xx53 - Filton Abbey Wood xx00 - Patchway xx07 - Severn Tunnel Junction xx20 - (continues to Rhoose (Cardiff Airport.)) |
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« Last Edit: December 07, 2006, 10:38:22 AM by Lee »
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AVONMOUTH CIRCULAR SERVICES FGW - Weston - super - Mare xx03 - Weston Milton xx06 - Worle xx11 - Yatton xx16 - Nailsea & Backwell xx22 - Parson Street xx32 - Bedminster xx34 - Bristol Temple Meads xx37 - Lawrence Hill xx40 - Stapleton Road xx43 - Filton Abbey Wood xx48 - St Andrews Road xx57 - Avonmouth xx00 - Shirehampton xx03 - Sea Mills xx07 - Clifton Down xx13 - Redland xx15 - Montpelier xx17 - Stapleton Road xx21 - Lawrence Hill xx23 - Bristol Temple Meads arrive xx26 depart xx30 - Bedminster xx33 - Parson Street xx35 - Nailsea & Backwell xx43 - Yatton xx49 - Worle xx55 - Weston Milton xx00 - Weston - super - Mare xx03. FGW - Weston - super - Mare xx18 - Weston Milton xx21 - Worle xx26 - Yatton xx31 - Nailsea & Backwell xx37 - Parson Street xx47 - Bedminster xx49 - Bristol Temple Meads arrive xx52 depart xx00 - Lawrence Hill xx03 - Stapleton Road xx05 - Montpelier xx08 - Redland xx10 - Clifton Down xx13 - Sea Mills xx17 - Shirehampton xx21 - Avonmouth xx24 - St Andrews Road xx26 - Filton Abbey Wood xx35 - Stapleton Road xx40 - Lawrence Hill xx42 - Bristol Temple Meads arrive xx44 depart xx45 - Bedminster xx48 - Parson Street xx50 - Nailsea & Backwell xx58 - Yatton xx04 - Worle xx10 - Weston Milton xx15 - Weston - super - Mare xx18. FREIGHT TRAIN PATHS Avonmouth (xx04) - Filton Junction (xx15) - Bristol Parkway (xx19.) Portbury (xx17) - Filton Abbey Wood (xx53) - Bristol Parkway (xx57.) Worle (xx54) - Filton Abbey Wood (xx29) - Bristol Parkway (xx33.) Bristol Parkway (xx33) - Filton Junction (xx36) - Avonmouth (xx48.) Bristol Parkway (xx18) - Filton Abbey Wood (xx21) - Portbury (xx00.) Bristol Parkway (xx47) - Filton Abbey Wood (xx50) - Worle (xx28.) Avonmouth - Bristol Parkway path could be utilised every hour. Portbury - Bristol Parkway path could be utilised every 2 hours. Worle - Bristol Parkway path could be utilised when the London - Weston - super - Mare / West Country services are not running. NOTES 1) Pilning would be served by 8 trains per day in each direction , thus providing a half - hourly service during the peak. 2) The above timings are compatible with the following : Proposed London - Bristol / Wales & Southampton - Bicester timetables (link below.) http://www.shinewithstyle.co.uk/literature/melksham%20new%202007%20timetable%20proposals.pdfProposed Portsmouth - Cardiff & Weymouth - Severn Beach timetables (links below.) http://www.shinewithstyle.co.uk/literature/Suggested%20Portsmouth%20-%20Rhoose%20timetable.pdfhttp://www.shinewithstyle.co.uk/literature/Suggested%20Weymouth%20-%20Severn%20Beach%20timetable.pdf |
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« Last Edit: December 07, 2006, 10:42:21 AM by Lee »
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FREQUENCY GUIDE (tph = trains per hour in each direction.) Avonmouth 2 tph Bedminster 3 tph plus 2-hourly Gloucester - Portishead service. Bridgwater 1 tph Cam & Dursley 3 tph Clifton Down 2 tph Filton Abbey Wood 6 tph Highbridge & Burnham 1 tph Keynsham 2 tph (increased during peak hours.) Lawrence Hill 5 tph Montpelier 2 tph Nailsea & Backwell 4 tph plus London - Weston - super - Mare / West Country services. Oldfield Park 2 tph (increased during peak hours.) Patchway 2 tph Parson Street 3 tph plus 2-hourly Gloucester - Portishead service. Pilning 2 tph during peak hours. Portishead 2 - hourly (increased to hourly during the peak.) Redland 2 tph Sea Mills 2 tph Severn Beach 1 tph Severn Tunnel Junction 2 tph Shirehampton 2 tph St Andrews Road 2 tph Stapleton Road 5 tph Weston Milton 3 tph Weston - super - Mare 3 tph plus London - Weston - super - Mare / West Country services. Worle 5 tph plus London - Weston - super - Mare / West Country services. Yate 3 tph Yatton 4 tph plus London - Weston - super - Mare / West Country services. A draft timetable for the above can be found in the link below. http://www.shinewithstyle.co.uk/literature/Draft%20Greater%20Bristol%20Metro%20Proposals.pdfAll Melksham - related timetables contained in this section are for future development. To view the current Save The Train Melksham - related timetable proposals , check out the link below. http://www.savethetrain.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=766.msg2221#msg2221You can follow the development of all our non - Melksham related timetable proposals here (link below.) http://www.savethetrain.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=782.msg2267#msg2267 |
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« Last Edit: December 09, 2006, 01:29:35 AM by Lee »
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Graz
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Hey Lee, I really like this timetable a lot. Some things may be a *little* on the ambitious side (at least, I'm sure FGW would think that), but I'd love to see this actually happen, and we'd finally see Bristol catching up with the rest of the country in relation to rail services. A few little points... A station at Henbury: I feel there is a very strong case for a station at Henbury, between St Andrews Road and Filton Abbey Wood. Not only would it serve Henbury, but the Cribbs Causeway shopping complex as well. That can be very tricky to get to by road (Jams around Bristol have put me off ever going there), and a quick and easy way would definitely be by rail. I'm sure it would be popular. The Avonmouth circular services could call there and I'm sure it would be possible. The Avonmouth circular services...this is more personal preference, I would change these slightly to terminate (or just call additionally) at Bristol Parkway. This is because they will then provide connections from Bristol Parkway (cross-country and Paddington-wales connections) to local Bristol stations rather than for customers still having to go back on themselves down to Bristol TM as they do now. Not forgetting Bristol Parkway will get a 3rd platform soon! Some Gloucester-Taunton services could call additionally at Weston-super-Mare. I say this because W-s-M is quite a big town, and I know trains can become crowded *especially* in the summer. There has been several instances when I've travelled to this station and not been able to board trains, which could be the case even with Worle upgrades. I'm glad Gloucester now has 3 tph to Bristol. I've always thought Gloucester was neglected given its size (1tph just isn't enough, especially peak). Will trains terminate there, or continue to Cheltenham Spa/Worcester SH? If they *do* terminate it would mean connections to Cheltenham Spa and Worcester will be more limited, leaving only Central Trains Cardiff-Nottingham 1tph service and 1 tp2h Paddington services. Good idea for a Welsh Assembly funded Rhoose (Cardiff Intil Airpt) - Bristol TM service. Would this then be the return of Arriva Trains Wales to Bristol? I hope so. And great that Pilning would have a respectable service. 2 tph service at Oldfield Park/Keynsham....kind of a grey area for me. When travelling to Avoncliff on Tuesday, I was the only person (and also the ticket office man) to catch the southbound train at 10:54, no one got off. Whereas from 2pm onwards, more than 10 people got off, and the 17:40 service was overcrowded, with worse than standing room only on Wednesday. Northbound trains are *jam-packed* between 7 and 8:45am. More than 2 tph peak times are definitely needed for these stations, but 1 tph may be sufficient off peak, at least for the time being. Your timetable definitely falls under the criteria for less trains terminating at Bristol TM, and be greatly appriciated by many commuters and travellers alike, me included. The extra services would be a huge benefit for all and the environment as well I'll comment on the Bicester-Salisbury times as well, but really well done on this  |
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« Last Edit: November 23, 2006, 08:32:41 PM by Graz »
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Thanks Graz.
On Henbury , the timings between St Andrews Road & Filton Abbey Wood are quite tight , and also , I wanted to frame the proposals on a "here & now" basis (Portishead being long overdue in my opinion.) However , a station at Henbury is a strong aspiration of Friends Of Suburban Bristol Railways , and I agree that one should be built there in the short - medium term future.
Avonmouth circular services calling at Bristol Parkway...I ruled this out to avoid pathing conflicts at Filton Junction. Definately one to consider as part of Yate - Weston - super - Mare capacity enhancement , though.
Gloucester-Taunton services could call additionally at Weston-super-Mare? Some of the CCF trains are planned to , London - West Country trains would , but , personally , I would stick with the proposed pattern until Yate - Weston - super - Mare capacity enhancement becomes reality.
I would like some trains to continue to Cheltenham Spa/Worcester SH. I note that we have some regular site visitors from that area , and I would appreciate their views on this. Bear in mind also that the overall package includes a 1 tph Paddington service from Cheltenham Spa.
I would be loathe to disagree with your "home turf" views , Graz. To be honest , the reason that I included 2 tph service at Oldfield Park/Keynsham is because it is a top FOSBR aspiration.
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Yes, Portishead would definitely be one of the biggest priorities. Traffic is getting worse around there, and I don't think buses alone would be the answer as they get stuck in the traffic as well. The track infranstructure is already in place, so there's every reason for a good service there. As for Henbury, I'm convinced a station here would be also of huge benefit - after reading the proposals by FOSBR! I agree about the Bristol Parkway issues now! But still, as you said, it is one to consider...Coming back from Cheltenham, I'd very often prefer taking a 'scenic route' into Bristol via Henbury so this could be the perfect oppertunity (not forgetting the extra connections!) I mainly said about the Weston-Super-Mare service from experience. The time when I was refused entry onto the FGW Local train, the platform was jammed with passengers. I waited an extra half an hour for a very welcome Virgin CrossCountry service, but I could see passengers were left stranded at Weston-Milton and Worle as I passed. Although this is based on an experience only, it may be worth adding extra calls to WSM in Summer timetables just because of the sheer number of tourists that go there. Ah yes, I forgot you were going to have a 1tph service from Paddington-Cheltenham as well! Still, it may be nice having one of the trains providing an hourly service to Worcester Shrub Hill from Gloucester which would provide extra connections. I've always considered this a good idea and it would make for extra Cross Country connections from Cheltenham Spa (rather than for passengers going up to Birmingham New St and changing there as most do now, although Worcester-Bristol services are still quite popular as I've seen.) I remember reading on FOSBR about their aspirations for a 2 tph service to Keynsham/Oldfield Park, yes...this would probably be the only thing I disagree with them about (I never normally suggest reductions in train services!) It's just I think that a jump from an inadequate timetable provided by FGW (with 2 2-hour gaps) to a 1/2 hourly off-peak service would be a little too much to start with. Maybe a good idea as traffic grows, though...and as for peak times, I'm glad you suggested some of the Bristol-Oxford services call at these stations providing extra peak capacity. To be honest, the more the merrier at these stations at peak time. |
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« Last Edit: December 06, 2006, 06:35:22 PM by Lee »
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I recently sent an e-mail regarding these proposals to the Portishead Railway Group , and was very pleased to receive the following reply : "I have passed this email to our chairman Alan Matthews, who will be better able to reply to you on the technicalities. I have added a link to your main website (Save The Train) on our links page, and wish you every success in your campaign." Here is a link to the Portishead Railway Group website. http://www.portisheadrailwaygroup.org/index.html |
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I see posts that refer to Rhoose in this section of the forum.
Does anyone know why the Portsmouth - Cardiff services are NOT going to be extended to Barry and Rhoose as was outlined in the draft timetables issued in early 2006?
I have an idea....Why not use the potentially redundant 180s on an hourly Portsmouth - Swansea service in December 2007! Now theres a sensible thought, so we will probably never see it happen.
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I'm glad Gloucester now has 3 tph to Bristol. I've always thought Gloucester was neglected given its size (1tph just isn't enough, especially peak). Will trains terminate there, or continue to Cheltenham Spa/Worcester SH? If they *do* terminate it would mean connections to Cheltenham Spa and Worcester will be more limited, leaving only Central Trains Cardiff-Nottingham 1tph service and 1 tp2h Paddington services. The proposed Portishead - Gloucester service has been revised and has been extended hourly to Great Malvern. Details of the rolling stock required for these proposals can be found in the link below. http://www.savethetrain.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=741.msg2167#msg2167 |
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« Last Edit: December 04, 2006, 06:21:43 PM by Lee »
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Yes very intersting but Lee could the 1 minute turn around at Didcot be long enough to drive to move from one end of train to the other.
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