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Oral Questions To The Secretary of State for Transport
« on: October 16, 2006, 03:29:02 PM »

These are due to take place tommorrow (link below.)
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmordbk2/61017o01.htm

There are several of interest , including this one :

Natascha Engel (North East Derbyshire): What account is taken of the population of the town served when determining the number of rail services which stop at any particular station.
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Re: Oral Questions To The Secretary of State for Transport
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2006, 06:32:22 PM »

Lee, the link you gave has gone ... and the question should have been answered by now.  Can we find out what the Minister said - I would be most interested as to what (if any) account is taken of local population when deciding service to a station.  I'm thinking of a comparision recently between Aberystwyth (21,000) looking for an increase from a train every 2 hours to a train every hour, and Melksham (24,000) dropping back from 10 trains to 2 round trips a day.
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Re: Oral Questions To The Secretary of State for Transport
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2006, 06:34:49 PM »

Should be online tommorrow.
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Re: Oral Questions To The Secretary of State for Transport
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2006, 10:50:30 AM »

Natascha Engel (North-East Derbyshire) (Lab): What account is taken of the population of the town served when determining the number of rail services which stop at any particular station.

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Transport (Mr. Tom Harris): Population changes are among a range of factors that the Department routinely takes into account when assessing the demand for train services. Other factors include line and station capacity, the number of train services already using the line and the availability of alternative transport modes.

Applied to Melksham , this could well be interpreted as :

1) No room on the line.

2) Why not use the 234 bus?
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Re: Oral Questions To The Secretary of State for Transport
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2006, 02:20:50 PM »

From the same set of oral questions :

Natascha Engel: I welcome the Minister to the Dispatch Box, and I hope that he has a long and illustrious career. As he knows, Dronfield, the largest town in my constituency, has a population of some 25,000. Ten trains stop at Dronfield railway station every day. Let us compare that with Alfreton, a nearby town, which has a population a third the size of that of Dronfield but three times as many trains. Ninety-three trains a day stop in Long Eaton, which is far smaller than Dronfield. What is my hon. Friend doing to influence the current round of bids for the east midlands rail franchise to ensure that demographic changes in places such as Derbyshire are taken into account?

Mr. Harris: I am grateful to my hon. Friend for her kind comments, and I pay tribute to her for her energetic campaign of work on behalf of her constituents on the subject of her question—especially the Dronfield station action group, whose members I was privileged to meet earlier this afternoon. My hon. Friend rightly points out that the east midlands franchise provides an opportunity to improve services at Dronfield. I can confirm that a new service between Nottingham and Leeds was included in the east midlands franchise document that the Department issued in June, and I am confident that it offers the genuine prospect of an improved service to Dronfield.

Here is a link on Dronfield Railway Station , which was closed in 1967 and re-opened in 1981.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dronfield_railway_station

Here is a link to the current timetable (Pages 36 - 38)
http://www.centraltrains.co.uk/upload/legacyImages/Guide%205%20LF%2006%20WEB.pdf

As you can see , there is NO effective commuter journey that passengers can make in both directions from Dronfield.

Here is a section from the East Midlands Franchise Consultation Document (page 28 of the link below.)
http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_railways/documents/page/dft_railways_611833.pdf

"Leeds and Nottingham are important regional centres, however, the rail links between the two cities are poor and the M1 is subject to periodic congestion. The case for a direct rail service is strong.

The DfT has initiated exploratory discussions with Northern Rail about providing such a service, by extending to Nottingham the existing semi-fast service between Leeds and Sheffield (via Barnsley). This poses significant operational complexities, particularly at Nottingham station and between Leeds and Sheffield, and an even interval frequency with other services on all sections of the route may not prove possible. It is intended these trains would make some calls at Dronfield, Alfreton and Langley Mill, giving a significant increase in the number of trains at each station.

Negotiations with Northern Rail are still at an early stage, but it is hoped that a service could be implemented by December 2008. If negotiations with Northern Rail do not conclude successfully the full service could be operated by the East Midland franchise.

To create capacity for this service it may no longer be possible to run any London services on the Nottingham to Chesterfield route. As a consequence Langley Mill and Alfreton will lose their two through services a day to London. This will be mitigated by roughly doubling the number of services between Langley Mill and Alfreton to Nottingham where a connection for London can be made."

Quite a contrast then between the possible futures of Dronfield (population 25,000) and Melksham (population 24,000) , given their VERY similiar circumstances and histories.

By coincidence , by extending to Nottingham the existing semi-fast service between Leeds and Sheffield (via Barnsley) to provide extra services for Dronfield , the DfT will be extending the very same service that replaced the local trains that are the focus of the campaign below.
http://www.stopthetrain.org.uk/index.cfm
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Re: Oral Questions To The Secretary of State for Transport
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2006, 01:56:39 PM »

A big increase in trains between Yorkshire and Nottinghamshire is on the way after the Government yesterday pledged £2m a year for extra services (link below.)
http://www.rmtbristol.org.uk/2006/11/government_cash_to_bankroll_fo.html#more

Seven services currently run daily between Sheffield and Nottingham, two of which extend to Leeds, but that number will rise to 28 – 14 each way – from December 2008.

All trains are expected to call hourly at Wakefield Kirkgate, Barnsley, Meadowhall, Sheffield, Chesterfield and Alfreton, with many stopping at Dronfield and Langley Mill.

The services will be run by operator Northern Rail and will be in addition to the existing semi-fast route between Leeds and Sheffield via Barnsley.

However , this could be bad news for the campaign below.
http://www.stopthetrain.org.uk/
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Re: Oral Questions To The Secretary of State for Transport
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2006, 10:54:21 AM »

Here is a link to the "Route 11" section of the Network Rail Business Plan 2006. Check out the map on Page 2.
http://www.networkrail.co.uk/documents/3109_Route%2011%20South%20Transpennine.pdf

The original idea was for the Nottingham - Leeds service to be created by EXTENDING the "fast" Sheffield - Leeds service , which replaced the local services that Stop The Train are fighting to save / reinstate.

However , it now appears that the new Nottingham - Leeds service will run ALONGSIDE the "fast" Sheffield - Leeds service.

The DfT has initiated exploratory discussions with Northern Rail about providing such a service, by extending to Nottingham the existing semi-fast service between Leeds and Sheffield (via Barnsley). This poses significant operational complexities, particularly at Nottingham station and between Leeds and Sheffield, and an even interval frequency with other services on all sections of the route may not prove possible.

http://www.stopthetrain.org.uk/documents/SY3booklet.pdf

The new Nottingham - Leeds service will require train paths on a congested line. As you can see from the timetable link above , these are likely to come from either removing the other Sheffield - Leeds local service or....

Removing the Penistone line service (link below.)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5068050-103630,00.html

It should also be noted that a park & ride stop in the "fast" Sheffield - Leeds service is planned at Wombwell. The service does not currently stop there (link below.)
http://www.savethetrain.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=469.msg1375#msg1375

Wombwell station is very close to the A6195 dual carriageway , which in turn links on to the M1 between Sheffield and Leeds. Have another look at the map on Page 2 of the opening link for an idea of its potential catchment area.

The other interesting thing is this quote from the "Route 11" section of the Network Rail Business Plan 2006 (Page 10 of the opening link.)

"The rail freight industry has recently provided to Network Rail a set of 10 year traffic forecasts, and we are presently assessing their implications. The key route section within this route that has been identified as a fragile route and has clearly defined additional tonnage/train numbers projected by the industry is Gainsborough – Brigg – Barnetby."

Gainsborough Central, Kirton Lindsey, Brigg, Denton, Reddish South, Tees-side Airport  .... six stations that ONLY have train service of Saturdays ....

One of the above stations is Gainsborough Central , which is currently ranked as the least - used station in the entire country. The only reason that stations similiar to it are still "open" , is because the current closure process is considered a nightmare to negotiate.

That will all change when the new DfT Closure Guidance comes into effect from 1 December 2006 (links below.)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/actionnetwork/F3641215?thread=2441627
http://www.savethetrain.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=577.msg1715#msg1715
http://www.savethetrain.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=626.msg1881#msg1881
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