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Newquay Rail - Replacement Bus Service?
« on: September 06, 2006, 10:35:02 AM »

Here is a quote from the Western Greyhound website.

"Some changes from Sunday 3 September 2006

Following the withdrawal of First’s services 21, 28 and 319, Western Greyhound will be replacing some of these services. Sunday service 21 and 28 will be introduced on the same timetable as currently in operation by First.

A new service 521 will be introduced on Mondays to Saturdays between Newquay and St Dennis, with peak hour buses to/from St Austell."

Here is the new 521 bus timetable. The route starts from St Austell Railway Station (link below.)
http://www.westerngreyhound.com/2006/521.pdf
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Re: Newquay Rail - Replacement Bus Service?
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2006, 11:28:16 AM »

Well ... it looks like passengers from Newquay have bus services to St Austell in the rush hours and trains to Par off peak, giving them (in combination) the first leg of long distance public transport from early in the morning through to mid evening.   

I don't know Newquay ... perhaps that's a good way for 'em to do it ... but I would think it would be more appropriate in most places to provide a higher capacity and faster train at time of heavy demand such as 6 to 9 am and 3 to 6 pm, and buses to cover the lighter periods.
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Re: Newquay Rail - Replacement Bus Service?
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2006, 01:21:45 PM »

Its not just the peak buses that run via St Austell Railway Station , Graham.

There are evening buses too (also serving Bugle & Roche , link below.)
http://www.westerngreyhound.com/2006/528.pdf

Here is the Par - Newquay rail service from December 2006 , over half of which runs in the middle of the day or the evening , when passenger demand is likely to be lower (link below.)
http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/Documents/Custom/Rev%20Dec%20TTs/SX%20-%20Par%20to%20Newquay.pdf

Do you think that the rail service will survive until next summer , Graham?
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Re: Newquay Rail - Replacement Bus Service?
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2006, 04:17:29 PM »

Western Greyhound , along with Truronian were pioneers of the "virtual branch line" concept. Here are a couple of links.
http://www.truronian.co.uk/index.cfm?articleid=194
http://www.westerngreyhound.co.uk/2006/555.pdf

As you can see from the current First Great Western timetable (link below) "Combined Rail&Bus tickets are available to 'Padstow Bus’ and ‘Wadebridge Bus’, saving you time and money. Purchase at your rail station ticket office." and "Combined Rail&Bus tickets are available to 'Helston Bus' and 'Culdrose Bus' saving you time and money. Purchase at your rail station ticket office."
http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/Documents/Custom/OT60479%20PTT%202A-G.pdf

I understand from a phone converstion last night with a usually reliable source that First are in discussion with the DfT on running rail replacement bus services on the following routes:

a) Par to Newquay
b) Liskeard to Looe
c) Totnes and Ivybridge to Plymouth
d) Chippenham to Frome
e) to Severn Beach

6. That an option of just ONE train a day for Melksham was considered, toghether with an option of a train every 2 hours just as I advocate.  That the option of truncating the Severn Beach branch at Clifton Down was considered.  I have not been supplied with details of these considerations.

I have also noted the following from the Jacobs report   :

1) Oxford - Bicester line closure was considered.

2) Stopping service between Banbury and Oxford was considered for withdrawal.

3) Withdrawal of services from "lightly used stations" on the Reading - Gatwick Airport route was considered.

4) Withdrawal of services from "lightly used stations" on the following routes was considered :

a) Cardiff Central - Portsmouth Harbour.

b) Bristol Temple Meads - Westbury.

c) Westbury - Southampton Central.

d) Westbury - Weymouth.

e) Westbury - Swindon.

5) Withdrawal of services from "small stations" on the Plymouth - Penzance route was considered.

6) Withdrawal of services from some stations on the Barnstaple and Exmouth lines was considered.

7) Withdrawal of services from all intermediate stations on the Newquay and Looe lines was considered.

8 ) Peak hour only service on the Gunnislake line was considered.

15th June 2006 - the Department for Transport finds the money to fund extra train services into Plymouth (calling at Ivybridge) - a positive outcome at least in the short term, and some great headlines

22nd June 2006 - the Labour party candidate, James Anthony Kirk, wins the by election at Southway for a seat on Plymouth City Council by just 106 votes.

Plymouth City Council is very evenly balanced between Conservatives and Labour. Just the ONE seat changes control from one party to another.

I note that more tickets are sold per train calling at Melksham than at Ivybridge.  No-one has told me that the "Ivybridge decision" was made with the upcoming election in mind, but I certainly wouldn't mind us having a close-run and important election somewhere around here  Grin

Here is a link to an article on this.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/4975076.stm

Quote from the above link :

"However, there is a by-election due in Southway ward which means Labour could win back a slim majority."

Should we book our Combined Rail&Bus tickets now?
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Re: Newquay Rail - Replacement Bus Service?
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2006, 03:25:32 AM »


As you can see from the current First Great Western timetable (link below) "Combined Rail&Bus tickets are available to 'Padstow Bus’ and ‘Wadebridge Bus’, saving you time and money. Purchase at your rail station ticket office." and "Combined Rail&Bus tickets are available to 'Helston Bus' and 'Culdrose Bus' saving you time and money. Purchase at your rail station ticket office."

Should we book our Combined Rail&Bus tickets now?

Tickets to "Melksham Bus" have been available for a very long time ... and indeed one of the marketing brochures that First Great Western produced (under the previous franchise when they didn't cover the Melksham line) was about reaching places that their trains didn't get to in the South West and South Wales.   Handed out and available at Paddington, it showed you how you reached Melksham by changing at Chippenham and getting a (First) bus.  And, no, I didn't mention the train operated by their competitor.   Geeze did I dislike that leaflet; biased and misleading because of what it left out.

One of the effects of the new frachise SHOULD be / have been to level this playing field, at least as far as marketing is concerned.  Alas, as recently as last month I've had customers offered "Melksham Bus" tickets when starting their long distance journeys to Melksham. And before you ask, they were travelling at a time that had a perfect connection into a train.
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Re: Newquay Rail - Replacement Bus Service?
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2006, 09:44:43 AM »


As you can see from the current First Great Western timetable (link below) "Combined Rail&Bus tickets are available to 'Padstow Bus’ and ‘Wadebridge Bus’, saving you time and money. Purchase at your rail station ticket office." and "Combined Rail&Bus tickets are available to 'Helston Bus' and 'Culdrose Bus' saving you time and money. Purchase at your rail station ticket office."

Should we book our Combined Rail&Bus tickets now?

Tickets to "Melksham Bus" have been available for a very long time

I did know that , unfortunately. A big fear of mine is that we are about to see a major expansion of this policy  Sad
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