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Topic: Comparing Melksham's ticket sales to other stations (Read 3762 times)
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Graham Ellis
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The latest published figures for ticket sales to / from Melksham are 27,447 per annum - for the year ended March 2005. These are figures that we've had for quite a long time, up from 20,000 the previous year, or an ANNUAL growth rate on 37% which I think is pretty damned impressive.
The published figures are for every station in the UK, though, so I can now draw some conclusions that I couldn't drawn before:
a) The growth at Melksham has EXCEEDED the growth at other stations wit similar traffic levels hansomely. Melksham was 1974th out of 2504 stations on the previous figures I had, but it has improved to 1899th our of 2502 this time. That's am improvement of 75 places.
b) If all stations that were BELOW Melksham in the list were reduced to just 2 trains a day from this coming December, like we're having imposed on us, then the following stations in our area (services passing through West Wilts) would be effected:
Avoncliff Bruton Chetnole Dean Dilton Marsh Dunbridge Freshford Maiden Newton Patchway Pilning Thornford Yetminster
Dorchester West is also on the list, but is a special case as tickets are usually sold for just "Dorchester" rather than being split between the two stations correctly.
It does appear that the inhabitants of Melksham and visitors who wish to travel here have NOT been treated fairly in the current refranchise operation. I believe that only TWO of the stations I have listed above will have a service less that ours as from December, and in both cases their ticket sales are very very much less than ours.
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Graham Ellis
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P.S. On ticket sales per train calling, Melksham would come much higher up the list. I don't have statistics / a table of passenger train numbers .... but glancing up and down from position 1899 in the list, I see station after station that has much more frequent services (and serves a much smaller catchment) than Melksham.
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Graham Ellis
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Correction to my first post - only ONE station, Pilning, has ended up with a worse service that Melksham. 245 tickets were sold to and from Pilining in 2004/2005, compared to over one hundred times that number (27,477) to and from Melksham.
In the original specification, Thornford (annual ticket sales 1,396) was due to be reduced to one train a day each way, but I had overlooked the fact that it got a reprieve during the consultation process - excellent news!
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Sion Bretton
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do the ticket sales for melksham include Internet sales , via Traineline, First group & Wessex Trains (I know they are gone) and Q jump?
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I understand that the figures include all tickets sales where the tickets are specifcally to or from Melksham. Where the ticket is a season ticket, an appropriate number of journeys is counted (I can't give you the details of the algrithm used).
The figure is, though, what is say which is "Ticket Sales to or from Melksham", so it is NOT an accurate journey count.
It does not include things like: * journeys made to or from Melksham on tickets such as Severn-Solent Rovers, Britrail passes, etc * journeys made by infants under 3 who are travelling for free * journeys made where no payment is possible (last bus on Sunday night from Chippenham when there's no train!) * Journeys made where people get off short at Melksham
It does include things like * tickets purchase to / from Melksham but not used (e.g. train cancelled and they phone someone for a lift)
For some stations, extreme care needs to be taken of the ticket sales figures. For example, there are certain journeys such as Chippenham to Paddington where it's sometimes more economic to buy a return ticket to Didcot, then a further return ticket from Didcot into London - and this is perfectly within the rules provided you catch a train that actually calls at Didcot in both directions. If the level of these sales is significant, then Didcot's figures may not be very representative of true station usage.
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Lee
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Correction to my first post - only ONE station, Pilning, has ended up with a worse service that Melksham. 245 tickets were sold to and from Pilining in 2004/2005, compared to over one hundred times that number (27,477) to and from Melksham.
In the original specification, Thornford (annual ticket sales 1,396) was due to be reduced to one train a day each way, but I had overlooked the fact that it got a reprieve during the consultation process - excellent news!
So did Chetnole (annual ticket sales 2,248.) However it would be too simplistic to suggest that the timetable has been restored and there are no cuts. Here is a link to Appendix 2.2 of the South West Main Line Route Utilisation Strategy. http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%20documents/rus%20documents/route%20utilisation%20strategies/south%20west%20main%20line/appendices/appendix%202.2.pdfPoor timekeeping on First Great Western's long-distance express services is under investigation by the Office for Rail Regulation (link below.) http://www.rmtbristol.org.uk/2006/08/great_western_running_late.html#moreQuotes from the above link : "The ORR said that part of the cause of delays to FGW's express services was the large-scale track renewal programme on lines from London Paddington." "However, it said that track and signals operator Network Rail and FGW had drawn up joint plans to tackle the problems, which should be in place next month." "Among the ideas already implemented is for teams of FGW and Network Rail managers to 'adopt' poorly-performing services to identify why they are suffering delays and tackle the causes." Here is a link to the final First Great Western December 2006 timetable. http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/Documents/Custom/Rev%20Dec%20TTs/SX%20-%20Cardiff%20-%20Bristol%20to%20Weymouth%20-%20Portsmouth%20-%20Brighton.pdfExamples of forthcoming First / Network Rail performance studies include the following : 1) The 1200 Cardiff - Brighton service , which will assess the benefits / disbenefits of missing out the Patchway , Keynsham , Oldfield Park , Freshford and Avoncliff stops , but keeping the stop at Bradford - on - Avon. 2) The 1400 Cardiff - Weymouth service , which will assess the benefits / disbenefits of the original Westbury - Weymouth SLC2. The timetable is also designed to assess the benefits / disbenefits of missing out the stop at Pilning altogether. You will also have noticed that all of the "00" Cardiff Central departures , except the 1200 , include long waits at Bristol Temple Meads , which is the exact opposite of what the JSPTU Rail Vision proposed. Those who conclude that the Swindon - Southampton service is being withdrawn because of the high subsidy ignore the fact that Graham's figures prove that growth on the northern section will pull the southern section , and thus the whole service , out of subsidy and into profit within 5 years , especially if a both - ways , clock - face , 2 - hourly frequency is introduced. The true reason that the Swindon - Southampton service is being withdrawn , and that Melksham is having its train service replaced by buses , can be found in the quotes below. Here is a link to Appendix 10.2 of the South West Main Line Route Utilisation Strategy. http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%20documents/rus%20documents/route%20utilisation%20strategies/south%20west%20main%20line/appendices/appendix%2010.2.pdfQuotes from the above link : "Benefits elsewhere in the appraisal compensated for disbenefits between Romsey and Southampton, where the extended journey time from having to travel via Eastleigh had the same effect as a service frequency reduction. An alternative has now been developed that would see the service operate from Salisbury via Romsey and Redbridge to Southampton, then continuing via Eastleigh back to Romsey; and vice versa. This maximises the journey opportunities and benefits whilst preserving the estimated performance improvements. Terminating trains would be retained at Romsey, as now, but removed from Southampton and Totton. However, this does not address concerns over the quantum increase between Romsey and Salisbury, which could be exacerbated by trains continuing to terminate at Romsey as well as the new terminators at Salisbury. These proposed changes will have to be planned around freight services on the line, and balanced against the identified need for freight growth. Hence, the revised proposal cannot be recommended without further work." In other words Network Rail were not convinced. "The analysis has revealed clear potential to achieve significant benefits at relatively low cost by restructuring passenger services in an area where services had developed in an uncoordinated way. New links across Southampton, including improving access to the airport, are beneficial.Further iteration of the proposals is needed to ensure that the possible disbenefits are eliminated, or are quantified and consciously balanced against the benefits. These proposals are being considered by the Department for Transport, and are likely to be taken forward through the refranchising process." Network Rail considered "extending the hourly Totton – Eastleigh – Romsey service through to Salisbury, curtailing the Southampton – Salisbury – Bristol or Swindon local service at Salisbury to become a Salisbury – Westbury – Swindon or Bristol service" but concluded that "The capacity effect of this slight increase in service frequency, for instance on freight growth, would have to be carefully assessed before a recommendation could be made." As I understand it, one of the main reasons for reducing this service is the congestion on the main line between Swindon and Chippenham. All the passenger and freight traffic from Paddington and Reading to Gloucester, South Wales, Bath, Bristol etc. uses the first part of this stretch of line, until the Chippenham line diverges. For this reason alone I think any Melksham service in the medium future is likely to have to terminate at Chippenham to get any reasonable frequency.
The Salisbury or Southampton to Oxford option would entail running to Didcot on this congested line, preferably with a train capable of the full line speed of 125 mph, which would then be wasted over much of the rest of the route.
Extending the route to Oxford is an excellent idea, as is the Euston to Weymouth proposal, for getting the attention of the wider public and press, and "getting on the radar" of the DfT. There may even be a chance of running some Weymouth specials for the Olympics if planned far enough ahead. But for a useful and regular service I think we should not expect any more than a Chippenham to Westbury shuttle, possibly extending to Swindon, Salisbury or Frome on some trips.
High aspirations are good, as long as expectations are achievable!!
Roger Watkins
We've put a strong case for 8 trains a day (every 2 hours, timing worked out for a single unit, Swindon to Westbury) and been told there's nothing wrong with our business case. The service would grow, and would require LESS of a subsidy that the proposed 2 trains a day at 07:19 and 19:35.
Turning at Chippenham? I've been quoted 3 MILLION pounds for putting a track against the spare platform face and signalling it, and that there's no way ... and in any case there is no capacity problem at Swindon. One of the real potential capacity issues is on the line through Melksham, though. Just after the shadow transport secretary was here on Friday morning, whilc we were tidying up a LONG freight came through and it seems that there are many folks who want to see freight return to rail. Melksham is on a possible route from Southampton to the Midlands and North ...
There *might* not be any problem, but their might be an excuse  ... or it might be subjective; each additional train on a busy section is another potential delay *if* it's running late, etc ... The movement of the morning train yet earlier, and the evening train yet later, in spite of our consultation inputs for the reverse, looked like a slap in the face for Swindon to Melksham, Trowbridge and Westbury passengers. On my "blog" a couple of days ago, and in email too, I asked for the real reasons behind this - a bit of honesty - and I'm delighted to have received and answer from Andrew Griffiths. He writes.
As a quick glance at the timetable will show, we've had to resource the Melksham service using the Stroud Valley unit - which is why the timings can't me moved as we all would like. With two sections of single line and a busy mainline in between pathing is very constrained. SRA & Network Rail studies have concluded that Westbury is the only viable termination point. Even this will cease to be the case when future freight services are introduced. For similiar reasons , the Southampton - Westbury shuttle and Bristol - Waterloo services will be withdrawn from December 2007. The same fate will befall the new South Western Franchise Romsey - Salisbury via Southampton Airport Parkway and Southampton Central service at some point , because Network Rail have already concluded that there is no room for it on the network. Its inclusion in the South Western Franchise was a purely political decision , and not what the Consultation Document envisaged. If you read through the relevant sections of the Network Rail Business Plan 2006 , you will realise that its projections are based on implementation of SLC2 as a starting point. SLC2 (and any changes announced by First) can be changed either through the provisions of the DfT Closure Guidance or through agreement with the DfT. An example of such a potential agreement can be found below. Here are the scoping documents for the forthcoming North West & Yorkshire & Humber Route Utilisation Strategies (links below.) http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%20documents/rus%20documents/route%20utilisation%20strategies/northwest/north%20west%20rus%20scope%20.pdfhttp://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%20documents/rus%20documents/route%20utilisation%20strategies/yorkshire%20and%20humber/yorkshireandhumberrusdraftscope.pdfIn both documents one of the "Issues and Problems" identified is "how best to serve low footfall stations." Also indentified is "The impact of continuing growth of rail freight traffic from the Humber ports, particularly coal to the Aire and Trent Valley power stations." Here is a quote : "In terms of south Trans Pennine, it is proposed that the NW RUS will examine all services on this route. If after evaluation it is proposed to recommend changes to the specification of these services, this will be reviewed with the SRA / DfT franchise specification team to align with the wider development of the Central re-mapping process." Here is a quote from the original Beeching Report : "These proposals do not include all the stopping passenger services now running. Reshaping and streamlining the pattern of these services must be a continuing process. As this proceeds other services and stations will be added to the withdrawal and modification lists until a point is reached when what remains can be said to be viable." Here is a letter from Derek Twigg , followed by an analysis by Graham (link below.) http://www.savethetrain.org.uk/melkshamrailway/145_Letter_from_Derek_Twigg.htmlQuote from the above link : "I has seen the statistics quoted by the Department for Transport at the time of the original franchise specification, and noted they were taken over a relatively short period (8 days) which he suspects might have included the Easter weekend. As someone with a University Degree which included a major statistics element, I can assure the minister that a sample of this size is insufficient to be statistically significant - he would need the statistics from around 15 to 20 days, chosen at random throughout the year, to be able to read anything into the figuures that could relate to overall usage on a service which may well have a seasonal element." Quote from the original Beeching Report : "The traffic surveys, which were made in great detail, extended over only one week, the week ending on 23rd April, 1961, because it was impossible to continue the massive recording effort involved for a longer period. It was realised, therefore, that conclusions about some streams of traffic and about some parts of the system which are affected by seasonal changes could not be based firmly on the traffic surveys alone. Subject to this limitation, however, there can be little doubt about the general reliability of the picture revealed." In my opinion , Derek Twigg is attempting to justify the withdrawal of the Swindon - Southampton service in exactly the same way as Beeching did. He would undoubtably deny this but , in my view , the evidence suggests otherwise (link below.) http://www.savethetrain.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=424.msg1249#msg1249
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Here are some further station usage stats. Avonmouth 33815 (year) , 92 passengers per day. Severn Beach 29295 (year) , 80 passengers per day. The Severn Beach line is served by 15 train / replacement bus services each - way on Monday - Fridays and 15 train services each - way on Saturdays. I strongly suspect that the true figures for Avonmouth & Severn Beach (and Clifton Down , click on http://www.savethetrain.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=371.msg1115#msg1115) are WAY above the official figures. I would very much appreciate the views of any regular Severn Beach line passengers on this issue.
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Questions are also raised concerning different speed trains on the line - a slower train has to have a "double" or triple space slot in the flow so that it can set out well ahead of a faster train [from Swindon] and still be clear at the other end [Didcot] of the crunch section. With something like a modern "158" unit - top speed 90 m.p.h., fast accelleration, this is less of a problem that with a "150" or "153" Or from Thingly Junction to Swindon. "Freight and passenger services - working in harmony. Rail freight exists comfortably on the rail network alongside ESSENTIAL passenger services. Many freight trains can run in the evenings, during the middle of the day and at night when passenger demand is lower. Most freight trains run at average speeds which are similar to a semi-fast passenger service so their impact on network capacity is less than fast intercity or slow all-stations trains. Freight trains don’t use congested commuter lines during the peak periods." "There is currently no gauge cleared route for high cube boxes from the port of Southampton - where rail moves up to 1000 containers every working day. At present, only one route is planned for high cube containers from the UK’s largest container port – Felixstowe - where rail moves over one quarter of a million containers every year. The route, connecting the port with the Midlands and West Coast Mainline, is due to be cleared by autumn 2004. Because it runs via heavily used and congested commuter lines in London, it will not be able to accommodate the forecast growth in container traffic. In any case, it makes sense to route freight, that doesn’t need to pass through London, onto more lightly used cross-country routes." The accuracy of the above quotes can be judged by the service recieved by stations such as Dean , Dilton Marsh , Dunbridge & Melksham in the final FGW December 2006 timetable (link below.) http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/Documents/Custom/Rev%20Dec%20TTs/SX%20-%20Cardiff%20-%20Bristol%20to%20Weymouth%20-%20Portsmouth%20-%20Brighton.pdfIn the final FGW December 2006 timetable , Dilton Marsh has 21 services in total and Dean & Dunbridge both have 20 services in total. Of these , 12 services could reasonably be described as being in the middle of the day or in the evening , when passenger demand is lower. The movement of the morning train yet earlier, and the evening train yet later, in spite of our consultation inputs for the reverse, looked like a slap in the face for Swindon to Melksham, Trowbridge and Westbury passengers. On my "blog" a couple of days ago, and in email too, I asked for the real reasons behind this - a bit of honesty - and I'm delighted to have received and answer from Andrew Griffiths. He writes.
As a quick glance at the timetable will show, we've had to resource the Melksham service using the Stroud Valley unit - which is why the timings can't me moved as we all would like. With two sections of single line and a busy mainline in between pathing is very constrained. Melksham is to recieve a skeleton "essential" service , but only "essential" from an operating convenience point of view. For more analysis on the final First Great Western December 2006 Timetable , click on the link below. http://www.savethetrain.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=357.msg1078#msg1078
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Here are some further station usage stats. Avonmouth 33815 (year) , 92 passengers per day. Severn Beach 29295 (year) , 80 passengers per day. The Severn Beach line is served by 15 train / replacement bus services each - way on Monday - Fridays and 15 train services each - way on Saturdays. I strongly suspect that the true figures for Avonmouth & Severn Beach (and Clifton Down , click on http://www.savethetrain.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=371.msg1115#msg1115) are WAY above the official figures. I would very much appreciate the views of any regular Severn Beach line passengers on this issue. Forgot to mention - both Avonmouth & Severn Beach stations' passenger usage is shown as having declined. Here is how First described the radical changes made to the Weymouth line timetable on 3 April 2006 (link below.) http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/NewsItem.aspx?id=302"Services between Bristol Temple Meads and Weymouth will be retimed to better suit leisure and commuter customers on the line, including the retiming of a morning peak service from Frome to Bristol Temple Meads. Connections at Castle Cary for the West of England will be improved." Here is how the Greater Western Franchise Agreement described the same changes : "Weymouth – Bristol. Service will be retimed away from a standard two hour pattern, providing the same quantum of service, but at times better suited to the leisure and commuter market requirements. This will include provision of a morning commuter service from Frome to Bristol." "Weymouth – Bristol. Through introducing the new service pattern (issue 34a) connections at Castle Cary for the West of England will be improved." One thing may have puzzled followers of this thread : If it is becoming increasingly obvious that a large number of freight trains are about to be routed via Melksham , then why is the line (and the line from Southampton through Westbury & Trowbridge that links into it) only projected to achieve medium - level tonnage growth to 2015? The answer probably lies in the quotes below : 1) Network Rail Business Plan 2006 (Page 8 of the link below.) http://www.networkrail.co.uk/documents/3103_Route%204%20Wessex%20Routes.pdf"Capacity on the line that stretches from Route 13 to Route 3 is also expected to be adequate for the required quantum of freight and passenger traffic , but this is to some extent dependent on routeing choices for future freight flows and the implementation of a W10 diversionary route." 2) Here is a link to Appendix 10.2 of the South West Main Line Route Utilisation Strategy. http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%20documents/rus%20documents/route%20utilisation%20strategies/south%20west%20main%20line/appendices/appendix%2010.2.pdfQuotes from the above link : "Benefits elsewhere in the appraisal compensated for disbenefits between Romsey and Southampton, where the extended journey time from having to travel via Eastleigh had the same effect as a service frequency reduction. An alternative has now been developed that would see the service operate from Salisbury via Romsey and Redbridge to Southampton, then continuing via Eastleigh back to Romsey; and vice versa. This maximises the journey opportunities and benefits whilst preserving the estimated performance improvements. Terminating trains would be retained at Romsey, as now, but removed from Southampton and Totton. However, this does not address concerns over the quantum increase between Romsey and Salisbury, which could be exacerbated by trains continuing to terminate at Romsey as well as the new terminators at Salisbury. These proposed changes will have to be planned around freight services on the line, and balanced against the identified need for freight growth. Hence, the revised proposal cannot be recommended without further work." In other words Network Rail were not convinced. "The analysis has revealed clear potential to achieve significant benefits at relatively low cost by restructuring passenger services in an area where services had developed in an uncoordinated way. New links across Southampton, including improving access to the airport, are beneficial.Further iteration of the proposals is needed to ensure that the possible disbenefits are eliminated, or are quantified and consciously balanced against the benefits. These proposals are being considered by the Department for Transport, and are likely to be taken forward through the refranchising process." Network Rail considered "extending the hourly Totton – Eastleigh – Romsey service through to Salisbury, curtailing the Southampton – Salisbury – Bristol or Swindon local service at Salisbury to become a Salisbury – Westbury – Swindon or Bristol service" but concluded that "The capacity effect of this slight increase in service frequency, for instance on freight growth, would have to be carefully assessed before a recommendation could be made." Of course , we know what actually happened (links below.) http://www.savethetrain.org.uk/melkshamrailway/138_Lies_damned_lies_and_statistics.htmlhttp://www.savethetrain.org.uk/melkshamrailway/145_Letter_from_Derek_Twigg.htmlhttp://www.savethetrain.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=337.msg968#msg968The following also needs to be bourne in mind. 1) What looks very much like a rail - replacement bus service has just been revealed for Melksham (link below.) http://www.savethetrain.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=424.msg1249#msg12492) Over half of the services planned for Dean , Dilton Marsh and Dunbridge from December 2006 appear to have been scheduled at the times that the Rail Freight Group have stated would be ideal for freight trains (link below.) http://www.savethetrain.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=421.msg1243#msg1243In my view , Network Rail are not going to upgrade their tonnage growth forecast until the above passenger services have been withdrawn. I would also remind you of the following quote : I understand from a phone converstion last night with a usually reliable source that First are in discussion with the DfT on running rail replacement bus services on the following routes:
a) Par to Newquay b) Liskeard to Looe c) Totnes and Ivybridge to Plymouth d) Chippenham to Frome e) to Severn Beach Recent events have certainly not eased my concerns for the rail services mentioned above. In other words, a moderate increase in traffic could be caused by a removal of the majority of passenger trains and a massive increase in freight, and that is what you're foreseeing?
Certainly, with the news I received yesterday that a bus will leave Melksham for Chippenham STATION just 5 minutes after the morning train, and a return bus will get in to Melksham from Chippenham STATION just 11 minutes before the evening train, it does look rather as if the passenger service is being as near as possible duplicated, with a few minutes bias towards the bus to encourage commuters to Swindon to make use of that service.
I wish there was some other less depressing scenario; the evening train and bus connection will take 56 minutes - twice the time the train takes, and the morning bus / train is slower too. However, people's psychology may have them preferring to at least be on the way home with an 18:00 departure from Swindon rather than hanging around for an 18:43 train.
I was told that the train is as late as it is because of the need to have it on the Stroud Valley in the true rush hour. Could it also be as late as it is to assist in the transfer of passengers to the bus service?
My belief that the current round of cuts mark the start of a continuing process is strengthened by these quotes from the Terms of the Greater Western Franchise Agreement : "1.1 The Franchisee shall, as and when reasonably requested by the Secretary of State, provide information to the Secretary of State on the extent of the use by passengers of the Passenger Services. In particular and when so requested, the Franchisee shall provide information relating to: (a) the number of passengers travelling in each class of accommodation: (i) on each Passenger Service; (ii) on each Route; and/or (iii) at any station or between any stations; and (b) the times of the day, week or year at which passengers travel." 1.3 The information specified in paragraph 1.1 shall be provided by the Franchisee: (a) in such format and to such level of disaggregation as the Secretary of State may reasonably require in order to assist the Secretary of State’s decision-making on future service level commitments, infrastructure, station and rolling stock vehicle investment, the best use of the network and the alleviation of overcrowding." The key phrase is "the best use of the network." In other words, a moderate increase in traffic could be caused by a removal of the majority of passenger trains and a massive increase in freight, and that is what you're foreseeing? Here are some more quotes , the first two from the Network Rail Business Plan 2006. On future capacity requirements : "changes to the timetable structure to reduce the mix of different train types and the number of conflicting moves." "Between Didcot and Oxford the mix of non stop passenger and freight services with local services calling at little used stations reduces the ability to maximise capacity." I quote from FGW's web site ...
[i]Over the term of the franchise we will invest £200 million in a programme of continuous improvement bringing a wide range of customer benefits, increased capacity, safety and service. We will also work with Network Rail to tackle deep-rooted performance issues on the Greater Western network.
Our immediate priorities are to ensure a smooth integration of the three franchises; introduce a new Timetable in December 2006; and deliver service improvements for our customers as early as possible. In other words , Network Rail would like to work with TOC's to remove local or stopping services , in order to free up capacity and improve performance. First agree with this , mainly because they have been directed to by the DfT. Before we let First off the hook , it should be remembered that both their bus and railfreight sectors benefit from this. It should also be remembered that both First & Network Rail can propose a closure under the new DfT Closure Guidance. As far as the medium - long term future is concerned , I feel that this quote from the Network Rail Business Plan 2006 is appropriate : "The RSS (Regional Spatial Strategy) also recommends that commercial developments which generate high volumes of freight movements should be located close to appropriate rail freight facilities to support more sustainable distribution in the South West." Have a look at the link below. http://www.savethetrain.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=311.msg859#msg859And section 8.5 of this one. http://www.transport2000.org.uk/library/RoadstoRuin/section_08.htmQuote from the above link : "More serious attention needs to be given to freight movements through the county. In particular, there is potential for mini-rail-freight terminals in Wiltshire along the A350/A36 corridor. A rail-freight terminal at Westbury is planned, but this is some distance from proposed route of bypass. The parallel rail line (Westbury-Melksham-Chippenham-Swindon) has only one train per day in each direction but the service is due to be improved." Since the above was written , the number of freight trains has increased on the Melksham line. All in all , it would be fair to say that I am not optimistic , Graham.
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I find Graham's analysis and the discussion about the usage of Melksham station to be interesting. However, it would be more informative, and probably more damning, if statistics were available for each individual train of the day. From my experience, away from peak hour trains, there are similarities with the Marie Celeste when other trains call and I suspect that FGW had already noticed this when compiling the winter timetable. I am a railway enthusiast and will always travel by train when it is possible and convenient. Unfortunately, although I travel for pleasure on average once a fortnight, it is rarely convenient to use our local station due to the lack of trains. The problem we face at Melksham is that we are the only station between Thingley Junction and Bradford Junction and, with the low passenger numbers away from peak, it is not worth the TOC's while in running through our part of the former Wilts, Somerset and Weymouth line. Instead of incorporating us in the Swindon to Southampton route, I would dearly like them to speculate and run a trial of a two-hourly shuttle between Swindon and Westbury during the day for six months or a year and challenge the Melksham folk to use the station.
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Graham Ellis
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Eddy, you are so spot on with most of this analysis, and you use about a tenth of the words that I would have used.
Welcome to the board.
We do have three sets of statistics for individual trains of the day.
The DfT set from around 18 months ago, where they measured over a period of about a week; they stated that some trains are measured for 8 days and others for 9, which tells me that either a counter failed to turn up for work, or they were measuring at times of cancellation or included a Bank Holiday when the early service doesn't run. I have not been able to establish which reason(s) apply, nor the survey dates; the figures are low and I suspect they include the week leading up to Easter. The figures do NOT show numbers on and off trains at easch station, but just the numbers travelling between stations, so it's not possible to make out whether 18 into Melksham and 19 out was just one joining, or 6 leaving and 7 joining.
The other two sets of figures are from persoanlly taken surveys - numbers on the train as it arrives at Melksham, number of passengers leaving, number joining. Each just for one day (I have a living to earn and can't do it too often) for a Friday in September and a Friday in December of last year.
Althougn not for each train, I also have around 8 weeks of logs from a regular user of two of the trains - one that's the commuter train and one that's not. In these figures I'm looking for seasonal / weekly patterns and also to see how much the loading and leavings / joinings vary from day to day.
One thing that HAS struck me from the last of these logs (and also from observations made and reported frequently of trains that leave Melksham at 09:12, 13:35 and 17:02) is that passenger counts can halve / double (and more) from one day to the next. It's a very wide distribution indeed. I don't feel that I have enough evidence to offer reasons, and I have not attempted an analysis; I could only guess. But I can tell that the DfT figures which are oft quoted back to me are for a very quiet period indeed compared to all other surveys, and also according to daily totals based on information from the ORR, Wessex and First
You'll notice that I commented that one of my observers uses one "commuter" train and one that's NOT. That's highly significant for the future of a much more restricted service ... at the moment, you go to Swindon from Melksham on the 07:45 and you've got three realistic return opportunities later in the day - lunchtime, late afternoon, evening. More come back on the late afternoon service than the other two, BUT cancelling the other two will have a knock on effect on the morning service up to Swindon - it will loose the half-day and long-day brigade. And, conversely, having a two-hourly return service would boost travel on the 07:45 as well. As you put it, Eddy, "it is rarely convenient for me to use our local station". That's why I've put forward, heavily, the case for a 2 hourly service - I judge that to be the threshold of how long people will wait as well as being operationally straightforward. Very glad to see you coming to a similar conclusion.
Stop Press I have just received a package of over 1kg of papers in the post in response to a request for further information. A great deal, at a first quick glance, relates to other lines but there could be some meat somewhere in the stew. I will follow up this afternoon.
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Lee
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As you know , Graham , I have actively supported your push for a 2-hourly Swindon - Westbury service. However , I believe that growth on the northern section of the Swindon - Southampton service should be used as a tool to pull the southern section out of subsidy and into profit , which it would have done had the service been left to grow and savage cuts not proposed.
As a consultancy firm might put it , "Total social benefit in a realistic modern - day financial setting."
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Graham Ellis
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Eddy, following up further .... that bundle that wedged my door this morning turned out to include more traffic figures - very patchy surveys, and quite hard to draw many conclusions. A huge amout else too - have a look at http://www.savethetrain.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=464.0where I've posted up links to most of it! Lee, yes, MUCH better to have it as a through service to Southampton. But AT THIS POINT of trying to save the service from December, the longer distance might involve a major timetable shunt that dropping a 153 off the the early morning Stroud Valley and picking it up at the end of the day would not. As from December 2007, by all means and BETTER a through Swindon to Southampton as part of the SW franchise - be it operated by Stagecoach or some other company. Many more journey possibiities without a change - really useful ones such as Swindon to Southampton and Chippenham to Salisbury which are crying out for decent direct public transport links.
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Lee
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Here is a link to Appendix 2.2 of the South West Main Line Route Utilisation Strategy. http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%20documents/rus%20documents/route%20utilisation%20strategies/south%20west%20main%20line/appendices/appendix%202.2.pdfPoor timekeeping on First Great Western's long-distance express services is under investigation by the Office for Rail Regulation (link below.) http://www.rmtbristol.org.uk/2006/08/great_western_running_late.html#moreQuotes from the above link : "The ORR said that part of the cause of delays to FGW's express services was the large-scale track renewal programme on lines from London Paddington." "However, it said that track and signals operator Network Rail and FGW had drawn up joint plans to tackle the problems, which should be in place next month." "Among the ideas already implemented is for teams of FGW and Network Rail managers to 'adopt' poorly-performing services to identify why they are suffering delays and tackle the causes." Here is a link to the final First Great Western December 2006 timetable. http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/Documents/Custom/Rev%20Dec%20TTs/SX%20-%20Cardiff%20-%20Bristol%20to%20Weymouth%20-%20Portsmouth%20-%20Brighton.pdfExamples of forthcoming First / Network Rail performance studies include the following : 1) The 1200 Cardiff - Brighton service , which will assess the benefits / disbenefits of missing out the Patchway , Keynsham , Oldfield Park , Freshford and Avoncliff stops , but keeping the stop at Bradford - on - Avon. 2) The 1400 Cardiff - Weymouth service , which will assess the benefits / disbenefits of the original Westbury - Weymouth SLC2. The timetable is also designed to assess the benefits / disbenefits of missing out the stop at Pilning altogether. You will also have noticed that all of the "00" Cardiff Central departures , except the 1200 , include long waits at Bristol Temple Meads , which is the exact opposite of what the JSPTU Rail Vision proposed. Here are links to the current London - Oxford timetable. http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/Documents/Custom/Timetables/Table%203A%20from%20London.pdfhttp://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/Documents/Custom/Timetables/Table%203A%20to%20London.pdfAs you can see , all stations between Didcot - Oxford are served by the same 2 - hourly pattern , with other trains calling at Radley so as to give it an hourly frequency. Here is a link to the proposed timetable from December 2006. http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/Documents/Custom/Rev%20Dec%20TTs/SX%20-%20London%20to%20Outer%20Thames%20Valley.pdf Radley is still served hourly , but the other stations are served by a "skip - stop" pattern , in order to test the benefits/disbenefits of reducing the journey time. Also , some trains miss out Ealing Broadway & Slough stations. When combined with a service that only calls at Radley (between Didcot - Oxford) this brings the London - Oxford journey time comfortably below 1 hour 30 minutes. In other words , you could run a London - Radley - Oxford hourly service with just 3 units. There are 4 buses an hour from Radley - Abingdon and a half - hourly bus service from Radley - Didcot Parkway.
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