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Topic: 28 to 30 June - Westbury Bypass exhibition in Westbury (Read 5587 times)
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Lee
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Opening the exhibition , George Batten , director of environmental services at Wiltshire County Council, said: "It has been a 20-year journey with Westbury Bypass and this is just another phase in that 20-year journey." (link below.) http://www.wiltshiretimes.co.uk/display.var.1503381.0.bypass_plans_go_on_show.phpHe said the exhibition was designed to show people what work has been done and what the next steps would be. He added there would still be the opportunity for people who object or agree with the plans to make their voices heard at a public enquiry at around Christmas time. Kath Noble , from the Westbury Alliance , said: "We want a western route. Southwick cannot take any more traffic and a route along the railway line would better serve the whole community."
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Graham Ellis
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I have added a comment to that newspaper article, as follows:
I had a chance to pop in to the exhibition while it was open to the public yesterday. As Mr Hawker commented, it was very well and professionally laid out and the case for the bypass was pesuasively presented.
You'll note that I come from a town that's a few miles north on the A350, and I'm worried that improvements to the route, such as a Westbury Eastern bypass, will draw new traffic even above any natural growth into the area, and onto feeder roads. The exhibition's diagrams confirmed that such a draw of extra traffic is expected - it shows a 42% rise in HGV traffic on this trunk road heading north out of the area, beyond the bypass.
Speaking with two of the experts present, I understand that the various studies on the road impact that were being shown have only looked as far north as the Semington Roundabout. And that worries me, as I can imagine places such as Beanacre and the North Melksham area going into gridlock if the majority of the extra HGV traffic tries to get through there on existing, unimproved roads.
I was down in Exeter at a public enquiry on Tuesday (first time I've even been to one!) and shocked at the 200 to 300 million figures that came up for improving the A350 all the way from Warminster to the motorway. A more managed approach, and making full use of the parallel rail corridor - maintained to mainline standards, but with just 2 passenger trains a day (07:00 and 19:35 from Westbury) and existing earthworks if it needed to be doubled to take more freight would be a much more sensible option.
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Graham Ellis
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Graham , has the issue of lorries diverted from Bath been taken into account? (link below.)
I don't know. Since the 42% rise quoted was in addition to the normal, natural rise of traffic (i.e. the changes shown were based on what would be speciacally dragged in by the change in road layout), I had assumed that most of the extra traffic was A36 / A46 diversions. But now that you mention it, Lee .... if their model did not go north of Semington, then it probably didn't reach the Bath 'burbs either - so it may be a severe underestimate! If I appear to be a bit woolly, I did asked for further information from the representitives who were there at the exhibition to speak to the public about the scheme and the public's concern - however, they did not have the answers to hand, describing my question of traffic levels further north as a "detail". I think that's a question of perspective - I think that a surge of 42% (and perhaps more) of additional traffic through Beanacre would be regarded as rather more than a "detail" by the people who live there.
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Pete
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I was down in Exeter at a public enquiry on Tuesday...
Graham,
I too was at the EiP in Exeter on Tuesday and Wednesday. I would be grateful if you would clear something up for me.
In your statement to the panel you said something along the lines of..."It currently takes me 45 minutes to get to Swindon by train, and 115 minutes to get their by bus, if the Westbury bypass is built, it will still take me 115 minutes to get to Swindon by bus".As you live in Melksham, I was just wondering why you think it would be necessary to go anywhere near Westbury to get to Swindon?
Pete
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Graham Ellis
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As you live in Melksham, I was just wondering why you think it would be necessary to go anywhere near Westbury to get to Swindon?
I don't, Pete. From Melksham to Swindon takes me 25 minutes by train (if I happen to want to leave Melksham at 07:17 or 19:50), and otherwise 95 minutes, starting off by bus and with changes in Devizes or in Chippenham. I think a word or two (such as "me") has been changed in the sentence which has personalised it in an inappropriate way - a misquote in that sense but otherwise accurate. I talked about the corridor on which I live as a whole, with the times stated in each case being from Westbury to Swindon, end to end. I've learnt that you can's look at any transport issues without looking over the borders and right to the ends. Indeed, the EIP on Tuesday looked beyond the South West as it talked about links in and out. Journeys to and from Melksham are actually a minority of journeys along the "A350 corridor" (indeed no one town accounts for the majority of journeys), and the travel and transport needs should be looked at as a whole matrix. Yet each of us individually lives in one of the towns or another, so there's a need to look wider and listen to others - otherwise we come up with unduly selfish suggestions. It's my view that an improved rail service, which has been costed at around 300k per annum, would be a significnt benefit to passengers right up and down this route. And I've listened to, and been encouraged by people from Salisbury, from Warminster, from Dilton Marsh, from Frome. From Westbury, from Trowbridge, from Chippenham and from Swindon, as well as from my own home town. Oh - and from further afield who visit or pass through the area. Where do you live, Pete? What are public transport journey times like from your own home to places like Salisbury, Swindon and London? Would major improvements proposed to part of the A350 but not to other sections reduce or increase traffic past your place? Do you commute along the corridor? What do you think of the various long term options compared, and how they balance out for everyone who lives in the towns along the route in terms of travel opportunities, personal environment, and tax cost? Please do help me fill in my understanding of the matrix further by giving your example as I have given mine. The question being addressed when I spoke asked whether or not the draft RSS paid sufficient attention to the possibility of making the most of existing rail routes. As the draft made virtually no mention of this, I quoted examples of where an existing route could, very cheaply in terms of transport costs, make a significant difference. I suggested that the RSS should be amended to make a stronger case for better use of existing rail. I think only one speaker made comments that did not include such support. As that wasn't yourself, can I take it that you'll join me in supporting strong rail development on the existing trackbed / earthworks to relieve all the towns? Graham
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« Last Edit: July 01, 2007, 09:42:42 PM by Graham Ellis »
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Pete
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Where do you live, Pete?
In the middle of Westbury, on the A350. What are public transport journey times like from your own home to places like Salisbury, Swindon and London?
With regard to Salisbury and Swindon, I have no idea, I rarely have the need to travel in those directions. London, however, I travel to approximately once a month. I use the train for this and, due to time constraints, I use the Westbury - Paddington route. Travel time being about 1.5 hours not including getting to Westbury Station and where ever I'm going in London. I have, on one occassion used the Westbury - Salisbury - Waterloo route, but this, at nearly 2.5 hours, takes too much time out of the day. Would major improvements proposed to part of the A350 but not to other sections reduce or increase traffic past your place?
Being in the centre of Westbury, the bypass would obviously reduce traffic past my house. Do you commute along the corridor?
No, I work from home and as such try to keep my travelling down to the bare minimum. My last session of commuting was to Newbury on the train. My last car commute was to Winchester. I did try to use the train, but having no direct link I had to go to Southampton then back up to Winchester. According to the schedule, total travel time should have been 1:42, in my experience the journey was never less than 2 hours and on occassion 2:30 - 3:00 hours. by car it was 1:15 hours door to door.
If I have to go to a meeting, depending on the time and location, my first port of call is always the train.
Pete
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Graham Ellis
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Thanks for that extra background, Pete ... and I certainly understand and support your desire to move heavy lorries, and other traffic, away from the front of people's homes. Of course, the metrics / balance are quite tricky and it would be oh-so-easy for a scheme to relieve a problem in one area and create a new one elsewhere; that's my "complete corridor" approach / question (and, no, I don't know all the answers, or even a half of them). We had something of a conundrum when First "pulled" most of the trains from the Swindon to West Wilts service, but instead ran some bus journeys from Frome and Trowbridge to Chippenham via the Station there (first 3 in the morning). Should we support the move as a sensible improvement / better than having the farce of walking all across the town in Chippenham to catch the train, or should we be fully supportive and make any positive suggestions we could to help the service be more effective? The conundrum related to the fact that the bus would pull a small proportion of the passengers who would otherwise use any trains, so would weaken the case for the trains to come back. In the end, I concluded that I must (and I do) support and use the extra buses, even if in the long run it slightly lessens the case for the train. I fear you, perhaps, have a similar conundrum when asked to support rail improvements that will cost a tiny proportion of a proper trunk road (and sections thereof) from the A36 to the M4 along a similar corridor to the current A350, so I'm grateful to you for your rail support. If I have to go to a meeting, depending on the time and location, my first port of call is always the train.
Me too - but I wish it were always possible just as you do. I COULD have caught the 06:44 from Melksham on Tuesday and got to Exeter Central, with 3 changes, for 09:21; to return, the 16:42 would be my last connection of the day, getting me back into Melksham at 19:50, again with three changes. Miss that, and the 23:01 (with a sleep on the platform for 5 hours at Salisbury) would have had me into Melksham at 07:17 the next morning. Sorry - that's just too much time wasted and I drove. Had the sort of minimum appropriate service that we're suggesting been running, I could have left home later to get to Exeter at lunchtime, and returned later in the evening. And I would certainly have done so - cutting out my car journey that went right past your front door.
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Pete
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I COULD have caught the 06:44 from Melksham on Tuesday and got to Exeter Central, with 3 changes, for 09:21; to return, the 16:42 would be my last connection of the day, getting me back into Melksham at 19:50, again with three changes. Miss that, and the 23:01 (with a sleep on the platform for 5 hours at Salisbury) would have had me into Melksham at 07:17 the next morning. Sorry - that's just too much time wasted and I drove.
Had the sort of minimum appropriate service that we're suggesting been running, I could have left home later to get to Exeter at lunchtime, and returned later in the evening. And I would certainly have done so - cutting out my car journey that went right past your front door.
Luckily (although the wife probably disagrees) we were already in Devon (Sandy Bay, just south of Exmouth) on holiday for the week, forward planning or what?! LOL
Pete
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John
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Great letter, Graham.
You have presented an unarguable case for an integrated transport strategy, making proper use of our existing railway system.
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« Last Edit: July 07, 2007, 03:24:34 PM by John »
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Pete
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Graham,
Your letter is a little misleading...
"Last Tuesday I spoke at the public enquiry that's running in Exeter at the moment into the development of the south west (which includes Wiltshire) over the next 20 years. The subject being discussed was the increased use of existing rail corridors and speaker after speaker was in favour. Only a single voice (out of 100 people in the room) took the opposite view - and that was the representative of Wiltshire County Council."
There may have been 100 people in the room, me included, but only about 25 delegates sat at the table (those who were allowed to speak). However, not all of these representatives spoke either for or against increasing the use of the rail network. To say that, effectively, only 1% of the attending people were against it is quite wrong.
Pete
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Graham Ellis
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Attendees at the enquiry in public are arranged into interest groups, probably to avoid the whole thing getting out of hand - an enquiry which was scheduled to run for 10 weeks and is attended each day by around 100 persons is costing a lot of money as it is, and if everyone were to speak on every subject that would be even more so; as it was, that afternoon two questions were covered in depth, and a third to which I spoke was covered rather quicker than I would have liked based on the chair's request to get it completed that evening, which as it was ran to later that I had been advised would be the case.
The arramgement of the sessions was such that each of the interest groups has a spokeperson whom they appointed from amongst themselves to sit in theit talking chair around the table, and that person can switch as appropriate. The other people are actively passing notes back and forth and whispering in the ear of that spokesperson as they feel is appropriate; the metrics of some groups mean that this happens a lot, whereas other groupings just let one expert get on with things during a particular question. I can accept that there may be an element of "block vote" involved and that some of the groups may have had members who were strongly against the overwhelming concensus on the question being asked, but who were unable to put that view. It would, though, seem a very odd grouping for that to happen to any substantive degree.
Newspapers are not written like a thesis, and an explanation such as the one above wouldn't fit in well with each fact quoted in each reader's letter, but I'm quite happy to have written the backup here to describe the events behind the headline - I hope that clarifies it for anyone who's concerned between 1 lone voice in an orchestra, 1 in 25, or 1 in 100.
And I'm going to conclude with one final thought. Although the representative from Wiltshire County Council did conclude his talk with his statement about about the Council's belief in the BUS being the flexible way forward for the future, he had in his earlier comments made reference to Gloucester's County Council, who was also part of his interest group, and their somewhat different position; I can't tell you verbatim what those comments were, but they were talking positively of support from the council for a Gloucester Parkway station project. To my mind, these comments showed the "spokesperson system" working well, reflecting the views of not only the person seated at the table, but also the people behind that chair.
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