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December 2007 Timetable
« on: June 04, 2007, 08:50:50 PM »

Apologies first of all if a thread has already been started on this.

Does anyone know if there is going to be a timetable consultation for the Greater Western December 2007 timetable?  I am looking to find out what the plans are on the South Wales - London/Bristol/Portsmouth route, and in Devon/Cornwall, and obviously for Melksham.

There is no hint of anything on the operator website at the moment, and when I spoke to CS a few months ago, I was told there was no plans for such a consultation this time   Sad

Does anyone know any different?
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Re: December 2007 Timetable
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2007, 08:52:39 AM »

I understand

1. there will NOT be a major consultation exercise like there was last year

2. On Swindon - Westbury, there are discussions underway and I'm sure further inputs would be welcomed.  I'll review after Friday

3. I understand there IS a 12 week consultation period on "Westbury to Southampton" or something like that, BUT I don't have full details nor do I know whether it's a public consultation of just "interested parties" which in the past has meant DfT, Network Rail, Train Operators and local transport authorities such as Wiltshire County Council.

This *is* a new subject Paul - anyone please chip in with what you know as I don't want to get caught be any unpublicised consultations and then be told "but you didn't respond" ... as happened in the spring of 2005 and gave the powers that be the "excuse they needed" to withdraw the booming Swindon to Southampton service.
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Re: December 2007 Timetable
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2007, 11:03:53 AM »

3. I understand there IS a 12 week consultation period on "Westbury to Southampton" or something like that, BUT I don't have full details nor do I know whether it's a public consultation of just "interested parties" which in the past has meant DfT, Network Rail, Train Operators and local transport authorities such as Wiltshire County Council.

This *is* a new subject Paul - anyone please chip in with what you know as I don't want to get caught be any unpublicised consultations and then be told "but you didn't respond" ... as happened in the spring of 2005 and gave the powers that be the "excuse they needed" to withdraw the booming Swindon to Southampton service.

I have received a letter from the DfT on this very subject.....

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"With regard to Dilton Marsh, the service which First Great Western intends to operate from December 2007 is currently subject to public consultation over the next 12 weeks.  The proposed service will be five services per day in each direction on Mondays to Saturdays, and four on Sundays.  I note that the current service exceeds the required minimum level."

This means that Dilton Marsh will have its service CUT by 50% from December 2007.
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Re: December 2007 Timetable
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2007, 06:44:57 PM »

Has anyone seen any provisional details of the December 07 timetable for the wider greater western area yet?  Is it or will it be 'available' to passengers? Presumably then, as we are now nearly into July, there is no "public" consultation this year? 
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« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2007, 10:01:08 AM »

Has anyone seen any provisional details of the December 07 timetable for the wider greater western area yet?  Is it or will it be 'available' to passengers? Presumably then, as we are now nearly into July, there is no "public" consultation this year? 

My understanding is that you are correct and there is no wide ranging public consultation thsi year; industry consultation dates go back even before last December's timetable changes on some charts that I have had sight of, and the situation that was current as of 8th June was that First were awaiting the imminent approval of Network Rail on pathing issues. It has, however, gone quiet since then!

Certain major changes that the TOC sees as positive have been quite widely talked about - for example a regularising of the services from Bristol to Westbury, where at present a slower train and a faster train both arrive withing a few minutes of each other, then there's a gap of nearly an hour.   Seems sensible as far as it goes; other changes have been mentioned / discussed in a far quieter way (our TransWilts line and the whole Swindon to Southampton route) and I would be hopeful that we can see the services being more appropriate to the needs as from December.  I have my fingers crossed as to whether it will be enough; there are worrying signs that the improvements may NOT critically tip the balance but rather fall short of a minimum.

With talk of the fleet shrinking again this Autumn / December, I also worry - I hope needlessly - as to whether a few other services may quietly disappear from the timetables, be shortened further in formation, or be rescheduled to run in marginal time when trains are available but there is little demand for services.   I saw a statement just the other day (by First?) stating that 90% of their trains were not overcrowded. 


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Re: December 2007 Timetable
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2007, 02:53:05 PM »

With talk of the fleet shrinking again this Autumn / December, I also worry - I hope needlessly - as to whether a few other services may quietly disappear from the timetables, be shortened further in formation, or be rescheduled to run in marginal time when trains are available but there is little demand for services.   I saw a statement just the other day (by First?) stating that 90% of their trains were not overcrowded.

No , not by First. The statement you require is this one :

David Redgewell of Transport 2000 enters the fray , saying 90 per cent of services in the area are NOT overcrowded (link below.)
http://thisisbristol.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=145365&command=displayContent&sourceNode=145191&contentPK=17640076&folderPk=83726&pNodeId=144922

He also says the Government is being lobbied for the green light to run four carriages on the Cardiff to Portsmouth line rather than two , and calls for extra carriages on the Bristol - Weymouth line.

He is worried the 12 extra trains that were supplied by First Great Western this year to ease overcrowding could end up moving to a northern operator at the end of the year.

He said: "The Government wants to relocate these trains to Northern Rail. Our biggest fear is that by Christmas, these trains will go North."

A spokesman for First Great Western said: "Obviously, some commuter services are full but that is how it is in many cities. Our 2007/8 service is under review and that might involve an increase in capacity."
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