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Topic: 234 but NOT going to Chippenham station after all ... (Read 8206 times)
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Graham Ellis
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Dear Graham,
Tony Anthistle has asked me to contact to you regarding you email.
I have carried out some investigation into what is happening and why. It appears that the following is the case. Services 232 and 234 were to be re-routed via Chippenham Railway Station as part of the First Great Western franchise bid. First Great Western decided the only the 232 will be re-routed via Chippenham Railway station and not service 234. In order to extend the 234 to the railway station the service will require an additional bus. The raises of cost. The change to Service 232 has been registered to commence on the 28th May 2006. Unfortunately, these journeys are not timed to meet trains at the station. Service 232 will operate hourly. The evening journeys on the Services 234 and 263 are interworked, at this point again there is not enough time in the journeys to extend them to the station. In order to do this we will require an additional vehicle, and once again this raises the question of cost.
If you wish I can go through these issues with you in greater detail, and perhaps we can discuss your aspirations for services in this area and we can see whether these can be accommodated.
many thanks,
Simon Newport Service Delivery Manager, Bristol
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Graham Ellis
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I think this is quite significant - AS PART OF THE GREAT WESTERN FRANCHISE BID, First were going to re-route the 234. The have now STEPPED BACK FROM THAT PROMISE.
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Graham Ellis
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Comment from Wiltshire County Council on this story:
We did not have sight of First's bid, and so are unable to comment upon whether or not they have any contractual obligations regarding the bus service.
Wiltshire County Council would not consider a rail-replacement bus service as a satisfactory alternative to the train service - We tried running a bus as a substitute for a Melksham train many years ago and it was a notable failure. Customers just didn’t use it.
The Council has been discussing the extension of service 234 to the rail station for a long time. This would be for the improvement of interchange - not as a rail-replacement arrangement. However 234 is a commercial service and First can run it largely as they wish.
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Lee
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The added significance of this is not just that the 234 runs between Chippenham - Frome via Melksham , but that the 232 runs between Bath - Chippenham via Corsham , where a new station is proposed.
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Sion Bretton
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Do you think they will get a station at Corsham. I worked in corsham 15 years ago and they were trying to reopen the railway station.
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Lee
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The SRA provided RPP funding for a new station at Corsham , with a planned opening date of 2003. However , they then proceeded to withdraw the Oxford - Bristol service that would have called there. The SRA took the following view of the Corsham station proposal in the Great Western Main Line Route Utilisation Strategy (June 2005 , Page 84 of the link below.) http://www.sra.gov.uk/pubs2/stratpolplan/GWMLRUS/GWRUS.pdf"Scheme design and development was previously undertaken. The business case for the station is currently poor due to cost escalation as a result of unforeseen ground conditions and the withdrawal of the Oxford - Bristol trains which were to have provided the service (the SRA were the ones who withdrew the service.) Unlikely to proceed at the present time." As has been noted elsewhere on this site , campaigners continue to fight for a new station at Corsham. The fact that First appear to have included re-routing the 232 Bath - Corsham - Chippenham bus service via Chippenham railway station as part of their bid for the Greater Western Franchise seems to indicate that they see the bus , not the train , as the future provider of public transport for Corsham. The fact that First won the franchise based on that bid appears to indicate that the DfT share that view. That , of course , is only my assessment. If First or the DfT were to announce that a new station was to open at Corsham , then I would happily admit to being proved wrong.
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Graham Ellis
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I'm in correspondence with First Bus at the moment ... I'll fill in here in a couple of days when I get back home (in Glasgow at the moment!)
Graham
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Lee
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A couple of Parliamentary Written Questions have been asked that are related to this issue (link below.) http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmordbk1/60714w01.htmMr Christopher Chope (Christchurch):To ask the Secretary of State for Transport, how many applications (a) to change and (b) to modify bus routes have been made to the traffic commissioners in each area of England in each of the last three years for which figures are available. Mr Christopher Chope (Christchurch):To ask the Secretary of State for Transport, on how many occasions the traffic commissioners have intervened (a) to prevent and (b) to modify a change to a bus route of which they had been notified in each of the last three years for which figures are available.
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Sion Bretton
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Yesturday came back from London with Melksham Busplus ticket, yes train arrived in Chippenham on time, walk to Bus station and the 30 mintute wait for the bus. Would be nice if they came to railway station, there is nice new bus stop (built in last 6 months) and you can get a coffee while you wait 30 mintues for the bus.
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Graham Ellis
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So let's see, Sion.
You arrived at Chippenham at (say) 13:10. Walked to Bus Station, there at 13:25. Bus left at 14:00, and arrived in Melksham at 14:26. That's one hour and 16 minutes from arriving in Chippenham to arriving in Melksham.
Had there been a train ... you arrive at Chippenham at (say) 12:40. Connecting train on to Melksham at 13:00, arrive Melksham 13:10. That's 30 minutes from arriving in Chippenham to arriving in Melksham.
(Bus timings taken from current timetable, "Melksham train" times from my suggestion of January, 2006, to DfT and First. Actually, the train timings could be even better - that 20 minute wait at Chippenham cuts to a 5 minute connection at Swindon off a South Wales service, meaning that you would have saved 61 minutes if the proposed train service was available.))
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Sion Bretton
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well this is what happen : left London on 15.30 ( I know I could of waited for 16.45 change at Swindon for the Melksham Train} Areive at Chippenham at 16.46 walked to Bus Station (15 minute walk), then go on 17.30 bus arrived in Mleksham at 17.55 and my house 18.05.
I know if waited in London until 16.45 train changing at Swindon I should arrive in Melksham at 18.16 and my house at 18.25.
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Graham Ellis
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Thanks, Sion .. you took 2 hours and 35 minutes (bus from Chippenham) ... train alternative would have taken 1 hour and 40 minutes (i.e. 55 minutes faster), but there wasn't a train at that time. Rather confirms my example  (I too will take buses rather trains where appropriate ... I was on the 234 just the other week, connecting from the National Express from Heathrow. Train via Paddington / Rail Air link via Reading just don't cut it, and I'm certainly NOT going to drag my luggage up from the National Express bus stop in Chippenham to the station to get the train for the last leg, when the 234 is just over the road and was due) Edited to correct typo
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« Last Edit: July 18, 2006, 06:46:07 AM by Graham Ellis »
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Lee
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A couple of Parliamentary Written Questions have been asked that are related to this issue (link below.) http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmordbk1/60714w01.htmMr Christopher Chope (Christchurch):To ask the Secretary of State for Transport, how many applications (a) to change and (b) to modify bus routes have been made to the traffic commissioners in each area of England in each of the last three years for which figures are available. Mr Christopher Chope (Christchurch):To ask the Secretary of State for Transport, on how many occasions the traffic commissioners have intervened (a) to prevent and (b) to modify a change to a bus route of which they had been notified in each of the last three years for which figures are available. Here are the answers (link below.) http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmhansrd/cm060718/text/60718w1787.htmMr. Chope: To ask the Secretary of State for Transport (1) how many applications (a) to change and (b) to modify bus routes have been made to the traffic commissioners in each area of England in each of the last three years for which figures are available; [85372] (2) on how many occasions the traffic commissioners have intervened (a) to prevent and (b) to modify a change to a bus route of which they had been notified in each of the last three years for which figures are available. [85373] Gillian Merron [holding answers 14 July 2006]: The traffic commissioner must accept all properly completed applications to register or vary a local bus service. New registrations can only be refused where the operator concerned has a condition on their licence which prevents them from providing the service as applied for. Information on the number of new and varied local bus service registrations is published in the traffic commissioners annual report. Copies of the publications are available in the House of Commons Library and can also be found on the DFT website at http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_control/documents/contentservertemplate/dft_index.hcst?n=9759&l=3
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