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Topic: Have First just shrugged their shoulders? (Read 3634 times)
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Graham Ellis
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"We could have just shrugged our shoulders and said that's what the Government bought" said Glenda Lamont, a director of First Great Western, last night at the meeting of West Wilts District Council, who she was addressing on the subject of First Great Western's train services to and from the District. "But ...." she went on, and listed a number of actions taken.
Edit - addition - Glenda Lamont has suggested that I quoted her out of content or misquoted her in this article. My apology - I've added a further post at the (current) end of the thread with her words of correction.
Now hang on a moment, Glenda.
The big issue as far we're concerned here is the train provision from West Wiltshire up to Swindon. The DfT specification got it wrong - you've stated that - and you are running a service that meets their requirement and you haven't been able to tell me ONE SINGLE action you've taken to improve the situation even within their minimum specification. Actions such as extra coaches on services to Weston-super-mare do nothing for us here. Spending 360k on the station at Westbury is a waste of money as far as we're concerned if there are no appropriate trains for us to get to that station.
Yes, FGW *have* listened. But they have taken no effective action to improve things at all along the lines we have asked for ... and you could argue that to consulty but provide nothing positive AT ALL to us as a result of the consultation is an insult.
Will this improve?
Glenda went on to present timetable changes planned for May and December this year. The May changes effect extra station stops in services; the December ones include some possibly major changes to improve the service regularity between Westbury and Bristol, and a raft of other changes. But NO MENTION at all of changes from West Wilts to Swindon.
So there's no improvement that we're being told about to come, even though we're being told about improvements for everyone else. It feel like someone really dislikes the "via Melksham" service.
"We're just an operator - we have to do what the Govt. tells us" says Glenda.
I agree, Glenda.
In the SLC document, the government tells you to provide a train that arrives in Swindon before 08:30 and one that leaves after 17:30, plus one extra train each way, each day. There in NO CONTRACTUAL REASON why you can't provide a train that arrives in Swindon at 08:20 and leaves again at 08:45, with the second train arriving in Swindon at 17:30 and leaving at 17:45. I content that the current, inappropriate timing, is operationally convenient to First but does little for the potential customers. And although it meets the letter of the SLC agreement, it fails to meet the spirit that was intended by the DfT. I know this, because I shave spoken directly with the civil servant concerned.
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« Last Edit: March 22, 2007, 07:09:30 AM by Graham Ellis »
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Ruthg
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Can we as a group try an apply pressure to the DfT to apply pressure to FGW? I just get the impression that FGW are just going to repeat the same old spin about the HSTs to anyone who'll listen, to try and deflect the interest away from other issues such as Melksham. Luckily the councillors last night showed quite unanimously that they could see through it.
I also feel that Wiltshire County Council need to liaise with other councils in the area about the Transwilts. I've tried writing to my MP David Heath for Frome and Somerset County Councillors for Frome, but none of them have replied and this is the second time I've written to them. I think there's still this idea amongst some people that it's just a Melksham problem, even though we know that people are connecting with that service from further afield.
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Graham Ellis
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I have just receive a reply from Fleur de Rhe-Philipe, posted here in a separate thread which deals somewhat with the County Council issue. My personal "base" is Melksham and as the place which is worst hit by the changes - we have lost the majority of our trains and we're a town comparable in size to Frome - it was natural for us to get a lot of the publicity. But for every train journey made to of from Melksham, there were another THREE mad via Melksham - Frome to Swindon, Chippenham to Salisbury, etc. So - of course - I want an appropriate service for Melksham but I'm now strongly shouting "From and to Swindon and Chippenham to West Wilts and beyond" and, no, you don't see the work Melksham in than sentence.
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Ruthg
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I think I will just have to keep sending letters to my MP until he gets so fed up he sends me a reply. 
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Graham Ellis
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Persistance ... a series of carefully thought through letters showing a good case can work wonders. Perhaps write you your county councillor(s) to - especially those of the same political colour as your MP, copying around. Ruth - you're getting to be something of an expert on travel from Somerset to Swindon; once that's acknowledged, you'll find you'll be listened to more closely. Oh - and try the local paper and radio station too.
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Graham Ellis
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Following up on my top article, I have a correction to my quote from Glenda Lamont. Glenda - sorry for any mis-interprettion/ embarrasment caused.
I would just like to take issue with your two quotes which are not quite correct I did not say "we are just providing what the Government told us to" I believe I said we could have just shrugged our shoulders and stayed with what we have instead of making the changes we did. I also did not say at any time we are just an operator and we have to do what the government tells us.
The fact remains that I'm not aware of any "TransWilts" improvements made ... the changes Glenda talks about relate to other services; we have still lost 60% of our trains, with the remaining ones still being inapproriately timed. I am, however, promised a further response and I remain hopeful that, one of these days, I'll get some good news.
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« Last Edit: March 22, 2007, 07:06:44 AM by Graham Ellis »
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Lee
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Can we as a group try an apply pressure to the DfT to apply pressure to FGW? This is being done on a regular basis , an example of which is Graham's recent conversation with the civil servant concerned.
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Ruthg
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Can we as a group try an apply pressure to the DfT to apply pressure to FGW?
I apologise if it sounds like I'm not fully aware of the hard work and campaigning that's happening, I suppose the point I'm trying to make and rather clumsily, is that for some areas like mine, Save the Train doesn't have the same profile as other campaigns such as More Train Less Strain and that with more names and places mentioned in group campaigning the more people like my MP and county councillors might start taking notice.
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« Last Edit: March 22, 2007, 02:24:35 PM by Ruthg »
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Graham Ellis
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I would love to have been able to raise the profile of our campaign higher in Swindon, Trowbridge, Frome and so on ... but I'm a realist. Our campaign is a small one and so will get, relatively, small attention. I think there are over a dozen trains on the Portsmouth - Cardiff service, comprising (now) some 20 to 25 carriages. That rises to over 30 carriages when you add in the services that join this route from Weymouth at Westbury - and there you have "MTLS" territory.
Contrast the thirty coach loads of people who have different, but legitimate, complaints to the one coachload that has been badly shafted on the TransWilts and you'll see why our profile is pretty minimal by comparison. And yet .... plug, plug, plug ... and the case *does* start to get noticed. In public is only one avenue. Some of the behind the scenes stuff that Lee mentions, and which may not be documented in the public domain, may be staring to bare fruit. And surprising bits of publicity / metions keep coming up. I was reading a national newsletter concerning Rail Futures this morning and there is "Swindon via Melksham" as one of the five issues they bulleted at their conclusion.
I am, intentionally, widening my wording to avoid "Melksham" being the key, even though it might be the shorthand that people used. "West Wilts and beyond to Chippenham and Swindon" is the current / appropriate term.
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Lee
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In the SLC document, the government tells you to provide a train that arrives in Swindon before 08:30 and one that leaves after 17:30, plus one extra train each way, each day. There in NO CONTRACTUAL REASON why you can't provide a train that arrives in Swindon at 08:20 and leaves again at 08:45, with the second train arriving in Swindon at 17:30 and leaving at 17:45. I content that the current, inappropriate timing, is operationally convenient to First but does little for the potential customers. And although it meets the letter of the SLC agreement, it fails to meet the spirit that was intended by the DfT. I know this, because I shave spoken directly with the civil servant concerned. Heres what I dont get : That's very curious, Lee ... I was given a copy under Freedom of Information in September that showed that the morning train had to arrive in Swindon between 08:00 and 08:30, even though the draft timetable was showing an earlier (07:50) arrival. Your version (dated October) appears to have been amended to suit the draft timetable. Isn't this a case of moving the goalposts to allow the operator to gain - well - something
What is the gain in having the train arrive at 07:50?
There was a near-unanymous view on commuter train last week that the arrival time of 08:15 (as it was in those days) was OK - although perhaps 08:30 would have been better. And that 07:50 was too early for most people.
Possible gains include:
1. Giving the operator the ability to have one less train in their fleet (and if that's the case, did they increase their premium to the government?)
2. Allowing the operator to run the service at a more marginal time in order to help them supress the service. This is a 'conspiracy theory' approach - it seems far fetched but some strange things have been happening. Further (& extremely significant) clarification obtained from the DfT :
"I am afraid that the version of the SLC2 received in August was an earlier iteration of the document, which was never validated. The document, which I sent to you last week is the true and current version of the SLC 2, and is the timetable that FGW operate their services by. The SLC for route F5 Westbury - Swindon was re-timed in summer 2006 to arrive at 0749/50 to form an 0752 Swindon to Cheltenham Spa, calling at Kemble at 0807 and Stroud at 0822. This was in response to identified passenger feedback in relation to schools' traffic on the Swindon/Kemble/Stroud line. I hope this explanation is clear. Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience caused by this error." How can Peter West claim that "it (the timetable) fails to meet the spirit that was intended by the DfT (in SLC2)" if the DfT authorised a timing change that operationally benefited First Great Western (to the detriment of us) 
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« Last Edit: April 10, 2007, 12:04:56 PM by Lee »
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Graham Ellis
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How can Peter West claim that "it (the timetable) fails to meet the spirit that was intended by the DfT (in SLC2)" if the DfT authorised a timing change that operationally benefited First Great Western (to the detriment of us)  I don't 'get' that either. It implies that either someone is giving out inconsistent information, or someone isn't telling us what's really going on and is telling us 'stories'
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I am, intentionally, widening my wording to avoid "Melksham" being the key, even though it might be the shorthand that people used. "West Wilts and beyond to Chippenham and Swindon" is the current / appropriate term.
Funnily enough, I have not used the word Melksham in my letters of concern and protest and the slant of my position is for an improved TransWilts service that runs from south to north, Salisbury to Swindon, effectively. Yet in the reponses I have had, it is Alison Forster and representatives from Wiltshire CC who have shoved Melksham in the response. I live in Salisbury and want to be able to get to Chippenham on a relatively regular basis.
They simply don't understand the impact the decimation of rail services is going to have on the county in the future. We need to keep up the letters and comments to ensure that the rhetoric is soaked up by the politicians too. Don't forget to remind them we are voters as well.
Recently at the local elections Salisbury voted out its Tory administration mainly on one issue, the controversial council office extension to Bourne Hill Georgian manor. I would remind Wiltshire CC of the power of voters to vote out councillors who would rather support highways extensions over rail improvements.
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