Save the Train forum

Dedicate to campaigning to retain an appropriate "TransWilts" passenger train service ... Swindon - Chippenham - Melksham - Trowbridge - Westbury - Dilton Marsh - Warminster - Salisbury ... and to other services too

THIS FORUM IS NOW A READ-ONLY ARCHIVE. Please use our Coffeeshop Forum for new posts

link to main site
Save the Melksham Train

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
May 21, 2012, 11:16:01 PM

Login with username, password and session length
Search:     Advanced search
Recommended service - hourly, according to the GWRUS. Let's work towards that service and towards ensuring all services are used.
7889 Posts in 5009 Topics by 97297 Members
Latest Member: Credayavegree
* Home Help Search Calendar Login Register
+  Save the Train
|-+  General Discussion
| |-+  Current Service
| | |-+  Train on time leads to a one hour delay ...
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic. « previous next »
Pages: [1] Print
Author Topic: Train on time leads to a one hour delay ...  (Read 2490 times)
Graham Ellis
Administrator
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2062


View Profile
Train on time leads to a one hour delay ...
« on: January 26, 2007, 09:02:55 AM »

How can a train that ran on time lead to a major delay to the traveller?

Trains are said to be on time if they arrive at their final destination within 5 (?) minutes of schedule. So if the 06:44 from Melksham gets to Westbury at 07:12 when it was due at 07:07, it's on time.  It takes five minues from Trowbridge so needs to leave there by 07:07 to be "on time".

Funny thing - the timetable says 06:54 at Trowbridge ... good time to catch the 07:03 to Cardiff.  Fail to connect and the next "Cardiff" is an hour later.

SO the train from Melksham is officially ON TIME (which it can achieve by being 13 minutes behind what the timetable says at Trowbridge) and it delays passengers who have a GOOD connection into another ON TIME train by one hour.

What an odd way to run a railway. No wonder they can say they're "on target" while inconveniencing the public.
Logged
Chris Street
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 79


View Profile
Re: Train on time leads to a one hour delay ...
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2007, 09:07:17 PM »

Graham, a train is said to be 'on time' within 10 minutes of reaching its final destination, or so I know, unless they've changed it...
Logged
gaf71
Jr. Member
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 7


View Profile
Re: Train on time leads to a one hour delay ...
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2007, 10:36:02 AM »

just a note to add to this.....i work for your favourite TOC, and we are asked to report delays of 3 minutes or more. Apparently this is when the fines start to kick in, so the delay has to be attributed correctly...i.e. train fault/ failure, traincrew issue, network rail infrastructure etc. so the fines are paid by the "right" company.
Logged
Graham Ellis
Administrator
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2062


View Profile
Re: Train on time leads to a one hour delay ...
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2007, 12:06:29 PM »

Thanks, gaf71 .... and thanks Chris for those clarifications.   I understood in the past that the delays are measured at final destination, aren't they?   So that the 13 minutes the  06:19 from Swindon is allowed between Trowbridge and Westbury which in reallity should be done in 6 minutes allows for 7 + 3 = 10 late at Trowbridge without any reported lateness.   

Sorry to harp on about this ... it's just a convenient way to be on time with good connection allowances, yet cause folks disruption. I've heard similar being discussed (I think) for the teminating of all cross-country trains at Birmingham to get better stats for performance, but at the expense of the traveller's delay to a subsequent service. Or perhaps I have the wrong end of that stick - I'm not from Birmingham after all  Grin
Logged
aik4on
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 33


View Profile
Re: Train on time leads to a one hour delay ...
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2007, 02:22:58 PM »

It's nine minutes for an HSS (high speed service) and four minutes for LTV (London and Thames Valley) and West (former Wessex) services.
Logged
Pages: [1] Print 
« previous next »
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Save the Train | Powered by SMF 1.0.5.
© 2001-2005, Lewis Media. All Rights Reserved.
Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
Page created in 0.056 seconds with 19 queries.