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1000th HST power car failure since Dec 06 time began - this week! - 1105/3144
Written by David Preston on Wednesday, 17th January 2007

I've heard that FGW has experienced it's 1000th High Speed Train (HST) power car failure this week, in only a month or so of running the new timetable.
It would appear that FGW just aren't maintaining the FGW fleet to the same standards. If they do drop to a low point, we might have another 'Maidenhead fire' accident in 1995 in which a power car caught fire, and engulfed a few coaches.

In the rush to leave the scene, a passenger died after being hit by another train.

Last week I was returning from Paddington and came to a halt near Dauntsey bank on an HST because a new MTU powered HST train suddenly gave up the ghost.

I wouldn't be surprised if FGW have another accident due to their disregard for maintenance.

Re: 1000th HST power car failure since Dec 06 time began - this week! - 1105/3145
Written by Lee on Wednesday, 17th January 2007

Interestingly , Jacobs estimated Greater Western Franchise HST Fleet Availability at 76% in their Outline Business Case Report (page 17 of the link below.)
http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_foi/documents/page/dft_foi_612538.pdf

Here is the full percentage list :

HST 76%

HST additional coach 88%

Adelante 71%

Voyager 80%

Thames 82%

Wessex 84%

Re: 1000th HST power car failure since Dec 06 time began - this week! - 1105/3147
Written by Graz on Wednesday, 17th January 2007

I'm surprised Wessex achieved a rating of 84%- considering the amount of problems FGW supposedly had with the fleet.

Re: 1000th HST power car failure since Dec 06 time began - this week! - 1105/3159
Written by Steve35 on Wednesday, 17th January 2007

What do you mean by a failure though? It certainly isn't a failure in the sense of a train breaking down and grinding to a halt. Reality check: 1000 'failures' in 1 month (say 31 days) is 32 per day. Which would mean for example every train from Bristol Temple Meads to Paddington 'failing' every day.... Hmmm. 

Re: 1000th HST power car failure since Dec 06 time began - this week! - 1105/3161
Written by Nick Field on Wednesday, 17th January 2007

Would I be right in thinking that many things recorded as a 'failure' not just on HST's but all trains very often mean that the train can carry on to its destination or can run all day until it get a chance to get to the depot for the fitters to look at it?

Re: 1000th HST power car failure since Dec 06 time began - this week! - 1105/3162
Written by Lee on Wednesday, 17th January 2007

[quote author=Graz link=topic=1105.msg3147#msg3147 date=1169039815]I'm surprised Wessex achieved a rating of 84%- considering the amount of problems FGW supposedly had with the fleet.
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Wessex didnt. 84% was Jacobs estimate. Preceding quote :

"The following assumptions are made in calculating these values, based on our experience and knowledge of the businesses concerned."

[quote author=Steve35 link=topic=1105.msg3159#msg3159 date=1169047271]What do you mean by a failure though? It certainly isn't a failure in the sense of a train breaking down and grinding to a halt. Reality check: 1000 'failures' in 1 month (say 31 days) is 32 per day. Which would mean for example every train from Bristol Temple Meads to Paddington 'failing' every day.... Hmmm. [/quote]

I think David meant the 1000th train failure since First Great Western came into existance , which was quite some time before the new franchise / timetable took effect.

Re: 1000th HST power car failure since Dec 06 time began - this week! - 1105/3165
Written by Steve35 on Wednesday, 17th January 2007

[quote author=Nick Field link=topic=1105.msg3161#msg3161 date=1169047721]
Would I be right in thinking that many things recorded as a 'failure' not just on HST's but all trains very often mean that the train can carry on to its destination or can run all day until it get a chance to get to the depot for the fitters to look at it?

Re: 1000th HST power car failure since Dec 06 time began - this week! - 1105/3171
Written by David Preston on Wednesday, 17th January 2007

I just heard this from a reliable source, someone who is working on HST2 or the intercity Express project as it is now known.

A failure could take many forms, just I heard they had a 1000 failures which seems a lot to me. Here are some definitions of a failure! I should know as I work in railway safety.

Equipment Reliability

[color=Red]The probability that, when operating under stated environmental conditions, process equipment will perform its intended function adequately for a specified exposure period[/color].

Failure Frequency
[color=Red]The rate of occurrence of an event per calendar time or per distance travelled, as applicable.[/color]

Failure Mode
[color=Red]A symptom, condition, or fashion in which hardware fails. A mode might be identified as a loss of function; premature function (function without demand), an out-of-tolerance condition, or a simple physical characteristic such as a leak.[/color]

Failure Rate
[color=Red]The rate of occurrence of an event per hours in service or per distance travelled, as applicable[/color].

Frequency
[color=Red]A rate of occurrence.[/color]

 
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